Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[BmillsSkier]

Basically that's what I figured, thanks. Still worthwhile to have it in case of opportunistic co-infections I'd bet, but not directly effective because the virus can cause pneumonia itself.

Not sure if this has been posted yet:

First English-language publication offers insights into pathology and cause of death by two Cleveland Clinic doctors.

https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.or...-19-autopsies/

Read the article/Study, it goes into detail about how it kills via the lungs and also addresses co-infections.

[KQ]

What the actual fuck?


Trump says he 'strongly' disagreed with move to reopen Georgia -- contradicting source who said he agreed with it


This is all part of the nightmare - a fucking clown. I hate clowns.

[Rideski]

Why don't you tell me why the graph below matters?

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Speaking academically, it seems to suggest New Jersey is about to get slapped?

[BmillsSkier]

Speaking academically, it seems to suggest New Jersey is about to get slapped?

Nope, my money is on my state getting slapped now. Let the people getting tattoos, nails did, and bowling a frame or two have at it, what could go wrong?

[Deebased]

@ DB, OK but does that change the number who had died and if so, how?

Some nobody wrote this.



Anyone who is not appalled by that is asleep or an idiot.

Of course it doesn't change the current deaths. But a flu season that kills 100k would be a footnote, and while we'll likely get there the top end is significantly lower than predictions from 30 days ago. This isn't the end of the world and hopefully will get Americans focused on those around them instead of the layers of fear, bullshit, politics and religion proxied on us.

[Benny Profane]

What the actual fuck?


Trump says he 'strongly' disagreed with move to reopen Georgia -- contradicting source who said he agreed with it


This is all part of the nightmare - a fucking clown. I hate clowns.

He's making backroom deals. Something is going on. No records are being kept. Why did Cuomo travel to the WH to just chat? Why not the phone? Because Trump pulled a Putin. Mano y Mano in a quiet room. God knows what happened, but Cuomo operates like that, too. Then he just flails in front of the media and they take the bait.

[Deebased]

Can you link to that claim? Wonder what the hell is their basis? Sweden has an incidence of 0.16% based on tests and a CFR of 12.1% which is super high and suggests very limited testing (more limited than the USA). Even if you multiplied their known incidence by 10 (or hell by 25) to have a generous assumption of true incidence, it is a tiny fraction of the population. If they reach a herd immunity in a few weeks it would require exponential growth of disastrous proportions and would crush their economy, society, and health system.

Important to remember the antibodies take several weeks after symptom onset to generate so the reality is the antibody testing is reflecting the infection rate from 2-3 weeks ago. It makes the curve derivative more tangible IMHO

[KQ]

Nope, my money is on my state getting slapped now. Let the people getting tattoos, nails did, and bowling a frame or two have at it, what could go wrong?

Do people really have money to spend on such things? I mean seriously. Open up all you want but are the customers going to be there to pay the salaries of employees? I don't think this will be one of those "build it and they will come" situations.

[Benny Profane]

Do people really have money to spend on such things? I mean seriously. Open up all you want but are the customers going to be there to pay the salaries of employees? I don't think this will be one of those "build it and they will come" situations.

That's always been a head scratcher about ink on a lot of people I see. Isn't that pretty expensive, on top of the ugly?

[grinch]

He's making backroom deals. Something is going on. No records are being kept. Why did Cuomo travel to the WH to just chat? Why not the phone? Because Trump pulled a Putin. Mano y Mano in a quiet room. God knows what happened, but Cuomo operates like that, too. Then he just flails in front of the media and they take the bait.

Said that a few weeks ago when he last visited. I figured dump had kompromat on cuomo then. Looks like dump changed his tune a slight bit on testing and opening the economy and thru kemp under the bus. Maybe the kompromat is coming in the other direction. Lack of transparency isnt good though. Therell always be questions

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[Rideski]

Nope, my money is on my state getting slapped now. Let the people getting tattoos, nails did, and bowling a frame or two have at it, what could go wrong?

Sorry man, I have a couple good friends with family in the Atl.
Maybe y’all can be the herd for the immunity, ya heard?

[KQ]

That's always been a head scratcher about ink on a lot of people I see. Isn't that pretty expensive, on top of the ugly?

This is gonna be the tat of 2020. Christ I'm sick of seeing that pointy little ball. Early on I had a dream that a blanket I had was covered in them like Velcro. Still gives me the creeps.

[bobz]

What the actual fuck?


Trump says he 'strongly' disagreed with move to reopen Georgia -- contradicting source who said he agreed with it


This is all part of the nightmare - a fucking clown. I hate clowns.

My take is that it's ass-covering. When the open-it-up-now experiment that he's been actively encouraging blows up in Georgia's face, he gets to say "don't blame me, I was against it", while continuing to wink at his base.

[XXX-er]

Do people really have money to spend on such things? I mean seriously. Open up all you want but are the customers going to be there to pay the salaries of employees? I don't think this will be one of those "build it and they will come" situations.

are those ^^ employees on some kind of program giving them $$$ and so if they start working will they lose the money ?

and then when Covid hits some more or again where does that leave them ?

[Benny Profane]

Said that a few weeks ago when he last visited. I figured dump had kompromat on cuomo then. Looks like dump changed his tune a slight bit on testing and opening the economy and thru kemp under the bus. Maybe the kompromat is coming in the other direction. Lack of transparency isnt good though. Therell always be questions

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Cuomo knows a ton of shit about his company. Trump knows he cant pardon his kids or himself from state offenses.

[Bunion 2020]

Of course it doesn't change the current deaths. But a flu season that kills 100k would be a footnote, and while we'll likely get there the top end is significantly lower than predictions from 30 days ago. This isn't the end of the world and hopefully will get Americans focused on those around them instead of the layers of fear, bullshit, politics and religion proxied on us.

Yeah, well. Maybe we won't reach those original high end numbers because we shut the entire country down. And maybe that was draconian and maybe it saved a lot of lives.

[wooley12]

I wonder how many folks voting for a few 1000 more dead people to "save the economy" have seen a freshly dead body?

[Lone Star]

Can you link to that claim? Wonder what the hell is their basis? Sweden has an incidence of 0.16% based on tests and a CFR of 12.1% which is super high and suggests very limited testing (more limited than the USA). Even if you multiplied their known incidence by 10 (or hell by 25) to have a generous assumption of true incidence, it is a tiny fraction of the population. If they reach a herd immunity in a few weeks it would require exponential growth of disastrous proportions and would crush their economy, society, and health system.

'“In major parts of Sweden, around Stockholm, we have reached a plateau (in new cases) and we’re already seeing the effect of herd immunity and in a few weeks’ time we’ll see even more of the effects of that. And in the rest of the country, the situation is stable,” Dr. Anders Tegnell, chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, told CNBC on Tuesday.'


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html

[wooley12]

This is gonna be the tat of 2020. Christ I'm sick of seeing that pointy little ball. Early on I had a dream that a blanket I had was covered in them like Velcro. Still gives me the creeps.

Someone could make a bundle selling C19 looking fuzzy dice.

[KQ]

I wonder how many folks voting for a few 1000 more dead people to "save the economy" have seen a freshly dead body?

I've watched more than a couple people die - held their hand, stood at their bed. Not something to relish.

Someone could make a bundle selling C19 looking fuzzy dice.

or you could make a game where they are velcro and you play tag with them. <shudder>

[KenJongIll]

Do people really have money to spend on such things? I mean seriously. Open up all you want but are the customers going to be there to pay the salaries of employees? I don't think this will be one of those "build it and they will come" situations.

If my wife doesn’t get the Ink she’s been jonesing for, for the last 60 days, our marriage prolly won’t last...unfortunately, we stay in North Carolina, not Georgia. But I ain’t seen nothing that says they checking state IDs in JawJa. I-85 here we come!

[Mofro261]

Important to remember the antibodies take several weeks after symptom onset to generate so the reality is the antibody testing is reflecting the infection rate from 2-3 weeks ago. It makes the curve derivative more tangible IMHO

Wrong. Antibodies in symptomatic people have been noted as early as day 1 onset of symptoms. Between day 1 and day 7 antibodies are seen in ~45% of people, by day 10 its 90% and by day 20 100% will be IgG positive.

Its why the testing algorithm works better with a rtPCR and a serology test in combo- occasionally in the early stage you can be rtPCR neg but serology pos, and most always these are converting rtPCR pos on later retesting.

[KQ]

If my wife doesn’t get the Ink she’s been jonesing for, for the last 60 days, our marriage prolly won’t last...unfortunately, we stay in North Carolina, not Georgia. But I ain’t seen nothing that says they checking state IDs in JawJa. I-85 here we come!

is it going to be a CV-19 ball?

[Rideski]

I've watched more than a couple people die - held their hand, stood at their bed. Not something to relish.

I held my Dad’s hand as we pulled the plug.
Won’t get to do that for mom if she goes from this.

[summit]

Looks like Sweden withdrew the report saying the ratio of confirmed to infected is 1:999

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidni.../#355a84514349

Looks like they withdrew the report and claim [emoji1]