Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[MultiVerse]

This will take decades to recover from. Get used to it.

Like Bartleby, I would prefer not to...

[Core Shot]

Crazy lady Trump supporter on Facepalm was claiming that is because the hospitals can bill more if the death is due to C-19.

Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.

"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."

[iceman]

There's a shitload of people unemployed right now, on their way to the sidewalk or under a bridge, really hungry, while already fabulously wealthy elites have been gifted literally trillions of dollars, disregarding their failures. That is as much a result of the ravages of this virus as pneumonia and kidney failure. I know that a lot here are comfy in their white privilege bubbles, but the shit is really hitting the fan out there, in more ways than just ICU admittance.

It was my understanding that this thread is about the disease. Science, epidemiology, symptoms, etc etc. Economic ramifications of the disease are certainly real and serious. Perhaps you should start a thread about them.

[Core Shot]

JFC what horseshit.

Hearsay from a phlebotomist (this could be an 18 year old GED holder who went to some vocational night classes, no dig at phlebotomists, but they don't even have to have a college degree).

And the sample (if you can call what she pulled out of her ass for the reporter a sample) that she gave a huge fucking range on 30-50% was people who were feeling sick enough to be tested for Coronavirus!

Not representing the general population and we have no reason to believe the numbers before we get into the problems with the test itself.

Then you pop up a model based prediction about how many might have been infected under a bunch of preconditions that don't exist?

Do you read your links before you post? Seriously dude, you can do better. Think critically.

Actually I didn’t read those links. Just throwing logs on the fire.

But I did read the prior link of mass general hospital testing in Chelsea. It was small sample size but interesting and perhaps giving hope that we can live a somewhat normal life someday.

[Benny Profane]

It was my idea that this thread is about the disease. Science, epidemiology, symptoms, etc etc. Economic ramifications of the disease are certainly real and serious. Perhaps you should start a thread about them.

Nah, I'm in the camp that the economic damage from this will kill far more than the virus. Sad.

[hutash]

Having been involved in one form of medicine, and knowing on a personal and professional level a lot of people on the human side, I would say the vast majority of them do what is most right, not what is most profitable.

[hutash]

Just thought I would pass this along...Florida.

[iceman]

Nah, I'm in the camp that the economic damage from this will kill far more than the virus. Sad.

I don't disagree with you but this thread was about the virus itself.

[m2711c]

[gravitylover]

People need to realize that assuming this is a bell shaped curve, which is what most of the model project, that once we actually reach the peak (and we are not there yet,) then we basically double the number of deaths. Even being generous and speaking at 40,000, and allowing a steeper back side, we are still talking about 70,000+ deaths, and that is being optimistic. Wait until the second d and third waves. We are probably about to start the second wave thanks to Florida and a few other states.

I think of it as still the first wave, second will be after things have calmed down and we get a few months out and our guard is down. Does this thing act like the 1918 flu and that second wave is the real doozy?

[S_jenks]

I don't disagree with you but this thread was about the virus itself.

Geez. In a thread about the virus, we aren't allowed to talk about the politics of the virus, or the economic impacts of virus, or post about us recreating outside during the virus....

[glademaster]

Geez. In a thread about the virus, we aren't allowed to talk about the politics of the virus, or the economic impacts of virus, or post about us recreating outside during the virus....

Hey! Take it to the Coronavirus Complaint thread.

[iceman]

Of course you're allowed. But when the talk veers to the Austrian School and the recession of 1920 and Hoover's policies it's just barely possible that we may have gone a bit too far afield. Just the fact that RJ showed up is enough to tell you things are off track.

[skifishbum]

Geez. In a thread about the virus, we aren't allowed to talk about the politics of the virus, or the economic impacts of virus, or post about us recreating outside during the virus....

poliassfuckery by rule doesn't belong in the padded room
it should goes in the sadverse pooflinging dungean
and never appear in new posts nor 100s of times in this thread
fore whatever reason that rule is no longer being enforced
other than that thread drift is a every day occourance
I guess there needs to be some reporting of rules violation reported to those task with enforcing the rules

[hutash]

I think of it as still the first wave, second will be after things have calmed down and we get a few months out and our guard is down. Does this thing act like the 1918 flu and that second wave is the real doozy?

Probably not. Corona viruses don't tend to recombine like influenza...fortunately. True second waves are likely to be smaller since there will be a larger portion of the population immune to it (if immunity lasts.)

...and yeah, Florida and company are not a true second wave, more like the back wash of a tsunami. The real second wave is likely next fall.

[ron johnson]

Like people that get Nobel prizes in Econ?

Yes, exactly. A favorite podcast of mine is "Contra Krugman" where two Austrians dismantle Paul Krugman's NYT columns.

[KQ]

JFC what horseshit.

Hearsay from a phlebotomist (this could be an 18 year old GED holder who went to some vocational night classes, no dig at phlebotomists, but they don't even have to have a college degree).

LOL!!! That is my neighbor's daughter to a T. Literally.

[huckbucket]

Of course you're allowed. But when the talk veers to the Austrian School and the recession of 1920 and Hoover's policies it's just barely possible that we may have gone a bit too far afield. Just the fact that RJ showed up is enough to tell you things are off track.

I was particularly enjoying the sidebar on abortion rights.

[skifishbum]

Its pretty obvious trump is going to have to bomb something/someone to bolster his ratings amongst the mouth breathers to get re-elected, the big question is the timing and whom ?

now will someone please tell me why this sad crap belongs in the padded room again
is it a yur rights to not follow simple rules put forth to make the community better thing?
when did the poliassfuckery goes in that forum cease to be a rule during global pandemics?

[KQ]

Is Medicare Paying Hospitals $13K for Patients Diagnosed with COVID-19, $39K for Those on Ventilators?

[huckbucket]

Probably not. Corona viruses don't tend to recombine like influenza...fortunately. True second waves are likely to be smaller since there will be a larger portion of the population immune to it (if immunity lasts.)

...and yeah, Florida and company are not a true second wave, more like the back wash of a tsunami. The real second wave is likely next fall.

It might be more complicated than just mutation rate ...

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0060343

- virus transmissibility
- behavioral changes
- population heterogeneity
- virus mutation (not an issue, as you mentioned)
- waning immunity (you mentioned)

[S_jenks]

poliassfuckery by rule doesn't belong in the padded room
it should goes in the sadverse pooflinging dungean
and never appear in new posts nor 100s of times in this thread
fore whatever reason that rule is no longer being enforced
other than that thread drift is a every day occourance
I guess there needs to be some reporting of rules violation reported to those task with enforcing the rules

"During these unprecedented times, we want to let you know that our company is monitoring the covid-19 situation"

[Ted Striker]

...we may have gone a bit too far afield. Just the fact that RJ showed up is enough to tell you things are off track.

Like Ted McGinley showing up in pretty much everything he's ever been in.

[Rideski]

I was particularly enjoying the sidebar on abortion rights.

^This is where I’m at on the subject.

Most people in here are asking questions, posting facts, observations, jokes, articles, etc.

The polyass crew always figures out a way to argue, bait, troll.
All the time, every time.
What weird chemical thing in their brain causes that, I haven’t figured out yet.

Clearly politics and economy are tied to this, and much to Dib’s chagrin I certainly don’t condone this thread being moved to polyass.

So if the people who know they need to rein it in could do so, and take the arguments and insults to the thread in poly started just for you, that would be great.

[skifishbum]

"During these unprecedented times, we want to let you know that our company is monitoring the covid-19 situation"

maybe after a few hundred reports someone will step up to the padded room plate and start swingin sumthin