Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[MakersTeleMark]

Friend just posted this.

I don't really get it - does she think the virus is too deadly to be stopped or fake?

Why do med prof wear them then?

Does she think we're doomed? Attachment 325536

You can maintain your dipshit friends, but don't bitch and post their asshatery here. K?

[KQ]

You can maintain your dipshit friends, but don't bitch and post their asshatery here. K?

Yeah.... that's a nope. Girl's gonna post what a girl's gonna post. Though in the future I could drop the word "friend" and just say "a person." LOL! Semantics!

Lots of stuff here I don't like. I just pass it by.

[jono]

Friend just posted this.

I don't really get it - does she think the virus is too deadly to be stopped or fake?

Why do med prof wear them then?

Does she think we're doomed? Attachment 325536

Your "friend" needs to watch Knocked Up and learn how you get pinkeye. (Also cause that's about the right grade level.) "Gotta be bare-assed." Apparently undies stop lots of things. So do masks.

[LongShortLong]

Has this site already been discussed?


https://covidactnow.org/us/fl/county/leon_county

Models updated every 24 hours

Why does this model assume the death rate increases 1% once hospitals are overloaded? Is it really that low? (I had guessed closer to ten times this)
Hmm..
They assume 4% of infections lead to hospitalization
30% of those require ICU
60% ICU cases need vent
40% in ICU die, 60% on vent die
When hospitals are overloaded, 100% of ICU cases die, and 5% of the other hospitalized cases. Without doing the math, that does seem close to 1% extra.

These numbers seem quite a bit better than I expected based on early reports, mostly the Feb 25 WHO/China report. Namely 20% of cases needed hospitalization, and I assumed on overload, in addition to the ICU deaths, half the other hospitalized cases also die. I also assumed infections no more than double cases, where this model appears to use a higher multiple, maybe as high as 4.

According to this site, several New York counties have exceeded hospital capacity. Are people being triaged and left to die? How are the hospitals coping?

[LongShortLong]

Looky here
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/
A plan from the white house!

[bodywhomper]

Why does this model assume the death rate increases 1% once hospitals are overloaded? Is it really that low? (I had guessed closer to ten times this)
Hmm..
They assume 4% of infections lead to hospitalization
30% of those require ICU
60% ICU cases need vent
40% in ICU die, 60% on vent die
When hospitals are overloaded, 100% of ICU cases die, and 5% of the other hospitalized cases. Without doing the math, that does seem close to 1% extra.

These numbers seem quite a bit better than I expected based on early reports, mostly the Feb 25 WHO/China report. Namely 20% of cases needed hospitalization, and I assumed on overload, in addition to the ICU deaths, half the other hospitalized cases also die. I also assumed infections no more than double cases, where this model appears to use a higher multiple, maybe as high as 4.

According to this site, several New York counties have exceeded hospital capacity. Are people being triaged and left to die? How are the hospitals coping?

Yea. That site was posted on the official Nevada County FB page. Some of the #’s are not adding up, compare CA to some of the counties. Work in progress?

[bobz]

Per George Carlin: “all of national security can be combined in two departments. 1. WTF was that? and 2. WTF are we going to do about it now”

As always, Carlin nailed it. And yeah, there's a reason why I put "intelligence" in scare-quotes. It's not like I expect the bulletheads in the Pentagon to know a pandemic from a pancake; just saying, with all the money that keeps being thrown away on Strangelovian fantasies, doing a little homework on the pandemic scenarios that lots of people had been saying were inevitable shouldn't have been a lot to ask.

As for the Chinese conspiracy idea, my point was that it doesn't matter at this point, but I'll go further: the theory is stupid. China's economy got hit extremely hard, and if not for an extraordinary response, this virus could have ravaged their densely populated country worse than any other. If China comes out ahead in the end, it won't be because they pulled a fast one on us. It'll be because the corrupt mismanaged increasingly authoritarian shitshow, that the US has been turning into, finally got the message across to the rest of the world: Look to other countries, not us, for leadership.

[subtle plague]

Someone that could never be my peer.

I am a peer of one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0WNVwWpCj34

[old goat]

Watching PBS tonight, interviewed an NYC nurse who was pointing out that in many European countries people carrying for Covid 19 patients wear full hazmat gear, as opposed to mask and simple paper gown in US. She claimed infection rate among health care workers is lower over there. I don't know if that's true or not. Every day the US seems more and more like a 3rd world country. And what happens when people stop loaning the govt money? I don't think we're far from that now. When this is over the US will no longer be the most powerful country in the world and the country the world looks to, if anyone still looks to us now. #MAGA

[subtle plague]

Well you still have that dollar thing going for you. I've read quite a few interesting articles that the dollar will emerge stronger than the euro from this. It has to do with the fiscal unity of the economic zone and that the different interests of northern and southern European states weaken the euro.

[Kinnikinnick]

Friend just posted this.

I don't really get it - does she think the virus is too deadly to be stopped or fake?

Why do med prof wear them then?

Does she think we're doomed? Attachment 325536

Yep methane gas is no different than aerosolized virus. You cant see either one, right?

These people should have to get forehead tattoos with a scarlet M


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[huckbucket]

New Zealand locked down before it had a single death. It has tested like crazy (15,000+ per million). It never accepted herd immunity or that ‘many loved ones will die’.

[grinch]

True. But you’re still wrong about your earlier Venn diagram comment. Color me surprised you moved the goalposts and posted a whataboutism. Do you have any other plays in your book? And if yes - why do you never use them?

Yes, yes I understand the platitudes of TGR doesn't allow anyone to think for themselves.

Its why most of my peer group have long since abandoned this place.

I stay for the laughs, baseless group think and Benny's groveling to get laid.

Well i guess that answers that. You forgot about the self fluffing arrogance but thats the last ditch after 90% whataboutisms

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[happytimefunbox]

You can count on it

[snowaddict91]

You can count on it

Ugh. A little too real.

[Deebased]

the words you are looking for are “jobs creator”

You forgot progressive and feminist at least according to the far right in Elle and Huffpost.

[Deebased]

As always, Carlin nailed it. And yeah, there's a reason why I put "intelligence" in scare-quotes. It's not like I expect the bulletheads in the Pentagon to know a pandemic from a pancake; just saying, with all the money that keeps being thrown away on Strangelovian fantasies, doing a little homework on the pandemic scenarios that lots of people had been saying were inevitable shouldn't have been a lot to ask.

As for the Chinese conspiracy idea, my point was that it doesn't matter at this point, but I'll go further: the theory is stupid. China's economy got hit extremely hard, and if not for an extraordinary response, this virus could have ravaged their densely populated country worse than any other. If China comes out ahead in the end, it won't be because they pulled a fast one on us. It'll be because the corrupt mismanaged increasingly authoritarian shitshow, that the US has been turning into, finally got the message across to the rest of the world: Look to other countries, not us, for leadership.

Its being an authoritarian shitshow that got China out of the mess early on. I don't believe there are any democracies that welded doors shut to keep people in their homes

[Deebased]

Well i guess that answers that. You forgot about the self fluffing arrogance but thats the last ditch after 90% whataboutisms

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When reasoning skills are so deprecated comparative analysis and reasoning flaws are classified as whataboutisms.

Dog I love this place.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

hey deebased. change your bait..

[splat]

Friend just posted this.

I don't really get it - does she think the virus is too deadly to be stopped or fake?

Why do med prof wear them then?

Does she think we're doomed? Attachment 325536

Well, she sounds like a real fart smeller.

[Bunion 2020]

Its being an authoritarian shitshow that got China out of the mess early on. I don't believe there are any democracies that welded doors shut to keep people in their homes

Well, we really don't know for certain if they are out or setting up for another wave. One of the drawbacks of an authoritarian shitshow.

The NZ model shown above looks pretty good. Pretty small and isolated country though.

And there there is the American model. Freedumb, fuck yeah!

[Deebased]

True. But you’re still wrong about your earlier Venn diagram comment. Color me surprised you moved the goalposts and posted a whataboutism. Do you have any other plays in your book? And if yes - why do you never use them?

Whats wrong with that Venn diagram.

Are the elderly with 1-2 years of life expectancy (most of whom would have passed long ago without modern medical intervention) somehow more important than a fetus with 80 years of life expectancy? Sure you can add all kinds of adjectives to create a deterministic vantage like: unwanted, accidental, abandoned and burdensome but if you're honest all of these terms cut both ways when describing how America treats its elderly. With the one exception that the former has potential upside to society and the other not so much. .

Feel free to extend those metaphors but its a values clarification exercise and the net is no one wants to make or be responsible for those decisions and humanity is rubbish

[The AD]

New Zealand locked down before it had a single death. It has tested like crazy (15,000+ per million). It never accepted herd immunity or that ‘many loved ones will die’.

Too bad so many people "hate math," because there's no way to look at that chart and come to the conclusion that the U.S.'s response was anything other than abysmal.

[Deebased]

Well, we really don't know for certain if they are out or setting up for another wave. One of the drawbacks of an authoritarian shitshow.

The NZ model shown above looks pretty good. Pretty small and isolated country though.

And there there is the American model. Freedumb, fuck yeah!

All true. NZ did a great job predicated on the idea that there isn't a second wave.

There also isn't a real city in the country and population density weighs heavily on outcomes.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Are the elderly with 1-2 years of life expectancy (most of whom would have passed long ago without modern medical intervention) somehow more important than a fetus with 80 years of life expectancy?

Eliminate the medical and public health advances of modern society and the 80 turns to 52. The benefits are not exclusive.