Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Deebased]

This is why the parasites are making the decisions about this.

FIFY123

[summit]

um, the rich can sit it out; those building assets, savings or businesses crossing from middle class to rich are the ones going to be decimated and many will not get the chance again to build up to where they were in January over a pandemic that has a fatality rate of one thousandth of a percent.

"CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died."

https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/

we have put a recession and probably depression in the coming for likely less covid hospitalizations and maybe covid deaths.

What you are missing is that with vaccines and pharmaceutical treatments, we kept the flu deaths to those numbers.

With the shutdowns, we may keep COVID to those numbers of deaths and hospitalizations as well.

If we hadn't it could have easily been 1 to 4 million deaths from hospitals too overwhelmed to save the salvageable AND AS MUCH OR MORE ECONOMIC CATASTROPHE as industry and the supply chain suffered similar shutdowns by so many being sick, caring for sick, going to funerals, or being afraid to go to work.

I want to open the economy up as much as possible as soon as possible, but in a way that keeps the epidemic curve from inflecting back up into exponential growth. We can do some things, but it won't be business as usual.

Continued SD Measures:
Huge gatherings like concerts, festivals, conventions, will be done for the rest of the year.
Schools should be distance learning at least until fall, maybe including fall.
Masking in public should be mandatory and fines issued.
Social distancing should be observed .
Anyone who can work from home should.

But otherwise we could open up factories, businesses, stores, elective medical procedures, etc that are shut down... but restaurants and bars probably shouldn't open up until we are certain the curve isn't going exponential with that loosening.

I bet those measures I described above, combined with aggressive public health contact tracing, testing, quarantine, and PPE production would help keep the curve flat. It could be started in May or June depending on the region of the country.

[KQ]

You do understand just how much more contagious CV-19 is over that flu right? Keep everything open and you could easily expect 5X plus those above numbers. If Sweden is still open, just watch what happens to them.

and again....WE ARE NOT TRADING FLU DEATHS FOR CV-19 DEATHS. These are additional deaths on top of the flu, car accidents etc. etc. We are trying to save lives here. Quite possibly the lives of those you love and care about.

What would you say if all the sudden number of flu deaths increased by the amount of deaths we've seen so far with CV-19? Would you say that's okay because it's just the flu?

Balling frat girls? NTTAWWT. However, I prefer sorority girls. Or even fat girls. Because, well, look up what fraternity means. Not my thing. You guys can carry on though.

I lived in a frat! ΔΧ!

[2bjenny]

Hey Mofro, maybe this has already been answered, but why are researchers confident a vaccine can be developed for SARS-CoV-2 when there are not vaccines for other coronavirus? Is it because this virus isn't changing very fast?

[skiballs]

The big difference between risk takers and the social distancing gr00viness is that risk takers generally only expose themselves. Not so in the current status. Big difference: avalanches aren't contagious.

Dick.

Didn’t you take a risk by traveling abroad and then potentially exposing all the people you came in contact with on the way home?

Guess I was wrong about your ability to see things from different points of view. Your intellect and command of the written word only goes so far I guess.


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[AdironRider]

You guys in your ivory towers really don't fucking get it.

This country has about a month, maybe 2 at most, more of this before people just say fuck you and your fears and get back to work, regardless of your beliefs about someone possibly dying somewhere, at some time. Feel free to say 'stay at home or else' you are going to be talking to the business end of a gun.

Count on it, it is literally human nature to look out for one's own self.

[glademaster]

You guys in your ivory towers really don't fucking get it.

This country has about a month more of this before people just say fuck you and your fears and get back to work, regardless of your beliefs about someone possibly dying somewhere, at some time. Feel free to say 'stay at home or else' you are going to be talking to the business end of a gun.

Count on it, it is literally human nature.

It's human nature to willingly submit to wage slavery and exploitation for the privilege of exposing not only yourself but others to great risk?

I think that's a depraved and deeply regrettable part of American culture, but I disagree that it is human nature.

Sent from my ivory tower down at the job site.

[MontuckyFried]

I find it interesting, that a ski website that holds risk takers and rebels in high esteem, to have a large contingent of people that seem to be willing to follow the herd. ...

That is kind of hilarious. Whether it's cannonballing or failing to "shelter-in-place" all of a sudden this crowd be like "That's the law guys! You can't break the law!" Funny, judging by nearly EVERYONE here, I would've thought rules were meant to be broken or something like that.

After decades of slinging dick in the 70s/80s (most likely unprotected), doing untold amounts of drugs, skiing questionable conditions, and living some pretty darn outrageous lives (and I do mean that in the best possible way), NOW all of a sudden everyone's risk adverse and acting like a bunch of sheep. I really don't get it. I do have to laugh, though. NOW everyone's a bunch of goody-two shoes law abiders.

[CarlMega]

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

To borrow a talking point, sounds like you didn't prepare. I know I'm set. Why should I and the citizen taxpayers deal with your poor financial problems? Learn to code and all that - get a better job. Pull you ass up by your bootstraps and stop wanting the rest of us productive citizens to fix your inadequacies . Conservatives tell me this is as easy as wanting it. Guess you get to prove it now.

[Ted Striker]

Feel free to say 'stay at home or else' you are going to be talking to the business end of a gun.

Count on it, it is literally human nature to look out for one's own self.

You have that backwards, but carry on...

[MontuckyFried]

Didn’t you take a risk by traveling abroad and then potentially exposing all the people you came in contact with on the way home?

Bingo. SO many here have been to China as well as 3rd world dumps for the sake of exotic travel, but THEY couldn't possible have ever been vectors for anything, could they? Add world travel to my list of hypocrisies from some here.

[AdironRider]

The point is, when push comes to shove, literally no one is going to sacrifice themselves and their well being for some stranger. You know this.

[Mofro261]

Hey Mofro, maybe this has already been answered, but why are researchers confident a vaccine can be developed for SARS-CoV-2 when there are not vaccines for other coronavirus? Is it because this virus isn't changing very fast?

It's incorporating ~2 mutations within 30,000 bp a month and it's only sporadic that these mutations even amount to changes at the protein level, and so far none in important regions of the Spike receptor binding domain which would be considered the primary target of neutralizing antibodies.

As to why there are no vaccines to other coronaviruses, well they were developed or put into development for Sars1 but that was rapidly eliminated from the population, hardly anyone catches Mers so it wasn't worth the development either past academic labs. Of the other 4 coronaviruses, the 2 that have been around prior to 2000 rarely caused disease serious enough to merit vaccination and the other 2 discovered since 2000 also rarely cause serious enough disease outside of immune compromised populations to have them added to a vaccination program.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

This website is largely populated by rich, over-the-hill ski tourists

I am far from rich.

[XXX-er]

I wouldn't trade your early retirement for my memories of frat girls balled

also; what the fuck does that have to do with anything?? or just felt like throwing yet another brag about your early retirement in somehow and (clearly) don't need a segue to do so?

buddy is clearly making boomers who are retired with a pension the butt of his whining, covid is fine for us cuz we can afford it but what has that got to do with a world pandemic that can infect anyone and kill young or old ?

We are all in this together its impossible to opt out of Covid19 ... Trump didnt get this either

[glademaster]

I am far from rich.

I said largely, not entirely. There are exceptions.

[MultiVerse]

Didn’t you take a risk by traveling abroad and then potentially exposing all the people you came in contact with on the way home?

We all face background mortality risk and we’re all going to die from something sometime. The difference with COVID-19 is the risk is packed into a couple of weeks, it's not spread out.

[Ted Striker]

The point is, when push comes to shove, literally no one is going to sacrifice themselves and their well being for some stranger. You know this.

When push comes to shove, those with actual power will use it.

[Mofro261]

Largely speaking, obesity is a real factor in severity in those younger than 60.

[old goat]

Since there are still people comparing Covid to influenza I'll repeat something I posted earlier. It's not just raw numbers of deaths. Most influenza deaths are in severely debilitated people near the end of life; while Covid deaths affect those people too--see the nursing home deaths--a much higher percent of Covid deaths are not debilitated. They may be elderly with chronic diseases but still functional and inependent, and of course some are middle aged and young. That is not to say that the debilitated elderly are not worthy of life, but it is to say that a large number of those victims would have died of something else in the near future; the influenza deaths do not represent excess deaths while the Covid deaths do.

Consider also the impact of Covid on those who don't die--as opposed to the flu, which usually keeps people off work for a few days, Covid often keeps people off work for weeks and apparently can lead to chronic lung problems and perhaps other long term health issues.

As long as this virus is in circulation without a vaccine or effective treatment people will be fearful and restrained--they will not be spending at anything like the rate they were before. We need either a vaccine or virtually no cases in the absence of restrictions before people will feel safe.

As this thing goes on it will be harder and harder for people to observe precautions. It's analogous to avalanches, where the longer someone goes without triggering one the more confident they get and the more risk they take. As time goes on and people don't get sick they will become more and more careless.

One thing to remember--we've never been here before. No one knows anything. Not the experts and certainly not the rest of us. But people are learning, at least the people who haven't made up their minds already.

[Benny Profane]

You guys in your ivory towers really don't fucking get it.

This country has about a month, maybe 2 at most, more of this before people just say fuck you and your fears and get back to work, regardless of your beliefs about someone possibly dying somewhere, at some time. Feel free to say 'stay at home or else' you are going to be talking to the business end of a gun.

Count on it, it is literally human nature to look out for one's own self.

No doubt, thus, maybe a million dead. Life can be tragic. We haven't had a good war on our soil in 150 years. Here we go. Nothing, really, compared to the two world wars.

[The AD]

I really don't get it.

THIS I agree with.

[liv2ski]

You guys in your ivory towers really don't fucking get it.

This country has about a month, maybe 2 at most, more of this before people just say fuck you and your fears and get back to work, regardless of your beliefs about someone possibly dying somewhere, at some time. Feel free to say 'stay at home or else' you are going to be talking to the business end of a gun.

Count on it, it is literally human nature to look out for one's own self.

Haven't been reading about this in other countries huh? You go outside, they throw your ass in jail for up to 5 years and ya, you will definitely catch it in the slammer + a nice case of ass rape. Don't be stoopid.

[Benny Profane]

To borrow a talking point, sounds like you didn't prepare. I know I'm set. Why should I and the citizen taxpayers deal with your poor financial problems? Learn to code and all that - get a better job. Pull you ass up by your bootstraps and stop wanting the rest of us productive citizens to fix your inadequacies . Conservatives tell me this is as easy as wanting it. Guess you get to prove it now.

"Learn to code".

OK, Hillary.

[XXX-er]

Pics or it didn't happen.

They had girls in your Frat? Or you were just very drunk? NTTAWWT

I just assumed a frat girl, so if you were screwing someone from the other 31 genders I just couldn't remember them all