Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[rideit]

. Now the average house is probably 3k sq. ft. I am guessing. No research involved, but looking at that metric will probably give you an idea about relative acceptable debt load and low mortgage rates

Ftfy

[powpig]

You forgot the main culprit of toilet paper shortages:

[powpig]

Check out this line to get into Costco. Longer than those Vail lines.

https://twitter.com/BisforBlaire/sta...38229258133511

[up an down]

Trump praised an anti-malaria drug as treatment for the novel coronavirus. Now, Nigeria has two reported cases of chloroquine poisoning...https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...ine-poisoning/

[rideit]

Trump praised an anti-malaria drug as treatment for the novel coronavirus. Now, Nigeria has two reported cases of chloroquine poisoning...https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...ine-poisoning/

Unintended consequences!

[Benny Profane]

Huh ????????
By what measure? The last 20 year period?

The 30's and 40's were rough. Look at the average houses that were built in the 50'sand 60's. That will give you some correct perspective. Small, capes and ranches for the most part. Now the average house is probably 3k sq. ft. I am guessing. No research involved, but looking at that metric will probably give you an idea about relative wealth.

The 70s had the oil shock on top of inflation caused by the Vietnam war expenditures. Interest rates climbed to nearly 20%. You could have walked into a bank in 1980 and bought a 100,000 cd at 15% totally backed by the U.S. government that would double your money in five years. If you had the cash. Add to that our industrial infrastructure starting to crumble as Japan and even Germany showed us how to make decent cars. It wasn't a cheery time. But, you still couldn't get a fatal disease from sex, movies were much cooler, and music was awesome.

[carpathian]

One of the new baby chicks died last night. Maybe too cold? Maybe sick already? No eggs from the big hens yet. I'm new to chicken life.

Bought a bunch of seeds the other day. Today project is converting 12 x 12' front porch into green house. Already have clear plastic roof, just need to wrap the sides. Also prepping fishing gear and gonna get a smoker going sooner than later. Thank god spring is just around the corner.

I have the same nervous energy that I had in the months leading up to birth of first kid 11 years ago. Something is coming...

I have found time to read every page of this thread so far. Stay strong out there!

[old goat]

We treat people all the time for abscessed teeth in the OR if it’s an emergency and dental offices are closed. Oral surgeons are on call and we have all the necessary equipment.


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Your oral surgeons do root canals in the OR? Or they pull unsalvageable teeth. Who wants a salvageable tooth pulled because the dentist is closed?
Plenty of other dental urgent/emergent situations that can't be treated in an ER or OR, especially if the current situation goes on for months. People can't eat. Certainly dentists need PPE, like hospital people; hopefully the PPE situation will be solved.

Here's a question for docs still practicing--are you using PPE when seeing patients without symptoms of COVID19 for other problems?

[4matic]

Huh ????????
By what measure? The last 20 year period?

Why all the question marks? is that supposed to mean some emphasis on your point being truth?

Anyway. In 1980 inflation was 13% vs a GDP of -.5 and the surrounding 5 years are similar. Low (declining) wages and high inflation. In aggregate probably worse than the deflationary depression where prices and gdp ran parallel. Real numbers. Real math for almost a decade starting in 1973. Not half baked facts about house sizes.

Electricity was so expensive in 1980 you couldn’t even afford to turn the heat on. Kerosene was cheaper than electricity.

So I stand by observation.

[glademaster]

Your oral surgeons do root canals in the OR? Or they pull unsalvageable teeth. Who wants a salvageable tooth pulled because the dentist is closed?
Plenty of other dental urgent/emergent situations that can't be treated in an ER or OR, especially if the current situation goes on for months. People can't eat. Certainly dentists need PPE, like hospital people; hopefully the PPE situation will be solved.

Here's a question for docs still practicing--are you using PPE when seeing patients without symptoms of COVID19 for other problems?

Aaron is from Wenatchee, which means that no matter what the topic is, he is the world's foremost authority on it, and all other perspectives are invalid.

[The AD]

SM tomatoes are a region protected TM, so even though the style and genetics are the same, they have to be from that specific region.

I'm pretty sure you can buy San Marzano tomato plants, so you're telling me as soon as I put it in the ground it ceases to be a SM tomato?

[XXX-er]

forget 20 yrs think about all the changes that have happend in the last 2 weeks ?
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re the dentist thing, there was a dental conference in vangroovy 2 weeks ago, pretty much every dentist in 2 province was there and somebody tested positive for Covid

[Shorty_J]

Maybe a little dark for today's times?

Hey, at least it's voluntary...

http://www.vhemt.org/

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[glademaster]

I'm pretty sure you can buy San Marzano tomato plants, so you're telling me as soon as I put it in the ground it ceases to be a SM tomato?

You're buying and planting a plum tomato, not a San Marzano. They are a PDO. It's a shame that there isn't more respect for that within agriculture. It's no less fraudulent than labeling sparkling wine from California as "Champagne," or domestic Parmesan as "parmigiano reggiano."

[XXX-er]

I'm pretty sure you can buy San Marzano tomato plants, so you're telling me as soon as I put it in the ground it ceases to be a SM tomato?

its more or less like that ^^ with grapes in france except with changing weather/global warming grapes don't grow where they used to, usually they are ripening WAY too fast

[huckbucket]

Poor Italy ... they're still getting hammered. with no letup in sight.

-Total cases: 47,021➡️53,578
-Death toll: 4,032➡️4,825

[The AD]

Thank you. If there's one thing that's abundantly clear from the impact of this virus it's that our economy is fucking fragile.

I've been thinking about that, too. It seems like we should be able to withstand a few week effective shutdown without the economy completely going off the rails. We (with "we" being the entire world) need to guard against this better in the future.

[Ski220]

Why all the question marks? is that supposed to mean some emphasis on your point being truth?

Anyway. In 1980 inflation was 13% vs a GDP of -.5 and the surrounding 5 years are similar. Low (declining) wages and high inflation. In aggregate probably worse than the deflationary depression where prices and gdp ran parallel. Real numbers. Real math for almost a decade starting in 1973. Not half baked facts about house sizes.

Electricity was so expensive in 1980 you couldn’t even afford to turn the heat on. Kerosene was cheaper than electricity.

So I stand by observation.

Guess I got carried away.

Was there, know personally the times. My house has a gas fired steamboiler. Electric rates don't bother me too much.

[Shorty_J]

One of the new baby chicks died last night. Maybe too cold? Maybe sick already? No eggs from the big hens yet. I'm new to chicken life.

Bought a bunch of seeds the other day. Today project is converting 12 x 12' front porch into green house. Already have clear plastic roof, just need to wrap the sides. Also prepping fishing gear and gonna get a smoker going sooner than later. Thank god spring is just around the corner.

I have the same nervous energy that I had in the months leading up to birth of first kid 11 years ago. Something is coming...

I have found time to read every page of this thread so far. Stay strong out there!

Not sure if you've greenhoused before, but shit getting too hot in there can be a challenge. Make sure you have a way to ventilate it.

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[Shorty_J]

forget 20 yrs think about all the changes that have happend in the last 2 weeks ?
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re the dentist thing, there was a dental conference in vangroovy 2 weeks ago, pretty much every dentist in 2 province was there and somebody tested positive for Covid

There is more than 1 case in alberta directly attributed to that conference.

And how long were they crawling around in people's mouths before they new this?

Yikes.

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[Rideski]

I feel that no matter what the US ( and Canada) does the economic disaster is already baked in. Take the COVID mitigation/suppression medicine now - or - delay and prevaricate and hope for voluntary community cooperation.

The former course was successful in Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea and contributed to the health care system not being overwhelmed. The latter was the course pursued by Italy until a little more than a week ago

Is the Taiwan News a reputable source?
If so their methods weren’t optional. I would imagine US and Canadadia are still on the honor system other than people evacd from Wuhan and Italy.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3901853

[Shorty_J]

I've been thinking about that, too. It seems like we should be able to withstand a few week effective shutdown without the economy completely going off the rails. We (with "we" being the entire world) need to guard against this better in the future.

We do have to guard against or at least prepare better for this in the future.

But the economy will be shut down for a lot more than a week.

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[Ski220]

Poor Italy ... they're still getting hammered. with no letup in sight.

-Total cases: 47,021➡️53,578
-Death toll: 4,032➡️4,825

Spoke with my nephew in Paris this morning. Official word there is they are expecting their illness / death rates to mimic Italy's and not to peak for another 3 or 4 weeks. He says if you are over 80 they will not treat you. They have not enough test kits nor medical equipment. So much for thinking our health system is so much worse then socialized systems.

[4matic]

The strong dollar will hurt the fastest growing economy’s and won’t do anything to help our locked economy short term. Another macro blow

[The AD]

Are we supposed to completely stop our economy? Hobbling it for months or years because of a virulent strain of the flu is kind of extreme. I've seen estimates that 30%-50% of small businesses may not reopen after all this shakes out.

The reality is that this is the risk of being a small business owner. When this is over with demand will return and many will be able to reopen. Yes, it's going to suck for a year or two for lots of people. However, I don't think the economy should ever take precedence over the health and welfare of the populace.