Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Meathelmet]

Never been to Norway eh?

Bergen the closest major (some might say only) city in Norway is an 8 hour train over a 400km route. So about the same as a trip between Bellingham and Portland (6 hour train ride).

You muppet, shut the fuck up already.

[Benny Profane]

Says the dolt that roots for deflation so his little stash lasts longer.
They'll be no death panel for you Bunny, straight to the soylent green factory for you.

whoa, hahaha. Back at ya for presenting an argument for your fucking inheritance to kick in. Jezuz. You're going to be old someday too.

[MultiVerse]

I can't summarily dismiss this opinion.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

John Ioannidis is an extremely knowledgeable voice, fwiw.

No need to dismiss, uncertainty is one of the biggest problems we're currently facing. It's a point people here have been discussing almost from the start:

“Regardless of severity, the actual nature of an outbreak is unpredictable. That's why public health surveillance, especially early on, is so important so that the health care system can respond rapidly. It's not about individuals asking to be tested in the face of common ailments, it's about surveillance and detection capabilities domestically and abroad. Weak systems struggle to tell the difference between common colds and novel diseases.”

Current federal government estimates suggest that without action there could be 2.2 million deaths in America from this disease. On the other hand this is starting to look like the most sustained widespread public panic in our lifetime, endangering the entire economy.

The zigzagging defensive inconsistent messaging is making things worse.

The problem is we diminished our public health response capabilities, which includes communicating these issues to the public, while at the same time 60% of Americans don’t trust the information they're hearing from the administration. So just like everything else this has become politicized with Republicans saying it’s all overblown and Dems seeing it as a real threat.

Either way it’s a massive US government failure, a "fiasco in the making."

[Benny Profane]

It's not the first time, this country has sent millions of young men and women off to be killed or maimed for our wars.

They volunteered.

[rideit]

The drafted ones volunteered?

[Benny Profane]

The drafted ones volunteered?

Well, since 'Nam.

[Deebased]

Please elaborate more on your extensive travels in Norway and the knowledge gained by your detailed studies of the economy there. Cause your bullshit doesn't seem to be anything like the experiences of the people who have actually been there.

15 trips in the last 6 years. Its a great country if you like white people, tall blondes and eating whale.

The public transportation in/around Oslo is fantastic.

Outside it sucks as bad as public transportation in the US.

[KQ]

When deciding between fucking the economy and the economic well being of the 95% of the people who would survive this thing, vs the 5% of the largely elderly who won't it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in a little while.

Yeah but we can help people out of economic hardship. We can't help people be undead.

As a landlord I've already decided should my renters need relief I will waive rent but I doubt it will happen. He's a cop and she's a school teacher. No kids.

[splat]

Sweet agenda 21 tinfoil chemtrail fema camp shit right there.

Cause a globe-crippling virus quarantining millions in our biggest cities (soon to fall under military rule) and killing unknown thousands or hundreds of thousands due to inaction by the government is completely believable?

[Benny Profane]

Yeah but we can help people out of economic hardship. We can't help people be undead.

As a landlord I've already decided should my renters need relief I will waive rent but I doubt it will happen. He's a cop and she's a school teacher. No kids.

Wow. Lucky them.

[gravitylover]

@splat I think the military rule thing is a heck of a stretch.

[powdork]

with 1,000 cases already today, a 50% increase in deaths yesterday and what appears to be another large increase today, this graph doesn't seem to be aging well. i don't completely understand the graph but I noted the 33% increase listed next ti Italy and it seems for the last two days we have exceeded that


also missing from the graph is the context in which it was posted, that we were gonna be much better off than Europe because of our trajectory

[Deebased]

You muppet, shut the fuck up already.

Way to counter facts with insults

Then couple it with a decades old insult.

Where did you pick that up? a bar in Moab?

[Mazderati]

Life expectancy is dynamic. I'm betting the young fucks would whistle a different tune if middle 40s was still old age.

[up an down]

15 trips in the last 6 years. Its a great country if you like white people, tall blondes and eating whale.

The public transportation in/around Oslo is fantastic.

Outside it sucks as bad as public transportation in the US.

I think you are a liar... You are too scared shitless to set foot in a country where socialism works.

[Benny Profane]

@splat I think the military rule thing is a heck of a stretch.

Cuomo has already started practicing in Mt. Vernon. He called for military assistance from the Feds in his press conference yesterday.

[riser4]

Cause a globe-crippling virus quarantining millions in our biggest cities (soon to fall under military rule) and killing unknown thousands or hundreds of thousands due to inaction by the government is completely believable?

Ya, it actually is believable.

[Benny Profane]

with 1,000 cases already today, a 50% increase in deaths yesterday and what appears to be another large increase today, this graph doesn't seem to be aging well. i don't completely understand the graph but I noted the 33% increase listed next ti Italy and it seems for the last two days we have exceeded that

Wow, go Spain, go. Betcha we have a moon shot like that in a few weeks.

[Deebased]

I think you are a liar... You are too scared shitless to set foot in a country where socialism works.

So you're a dumb fuck Bernie bro who thinks the nordic countries are socialist.

All you needed to say. Go give Benny a hand job before he gets Covid or at least don't lick your hands afterwards.

[Timberridge]

Yeah but we can help people out of economic hardship. We can't help people be undead.

As a landlord I've already decided should my renters need relief I will waive rent but I doubt it will happen. He's a cop and she's a school teacher. No kids.

That's great of you, but what if you depended on that income to provide for your family and kids and pay your mortgage? You can see how this gets a bit sticky at some point? And its easy to impose restrictions on everyone, the hard thing will be to determine when everyone can go back in the water after this. If its an extended period of time, most families don't have the savings to weather that.

[Benny Profane]

Life expectancy is dynamic. I'm betting the young fucks would whistle a different tune if middle 40s was still old age.

I just helped my 74 year old cycling buddy get his second cataract operation yesterday. He will need reading glasses, but, he's totally amazed how well he can see. This is a common procedure. New joints are making old age much more enjoyable for millions, and Medicare pays for it. It's a good time to be old.

[gravitylover]

Cuomo has already started practicing in Mt. Vernon. He called for military assistance from the Feds in his press conference yesterday.

That had/has a very specific purpose and nobody is "locked in". They are there to help cleanup and to keep order in what has the potential to be a bad situation. They are not there to restrict peoples movements or to begin a martial law situation. It's New Rochelle not Mt Vermin.

[Benny Profane]

That's great of you, but what if you depended on that income to provide for your family and kids and pay your mortgage? You can see how this gets a bit sticky at some point? And its easy to impose restrictions on everyone, the hard thing will be to determine when everyone can go back in the water after this. If its an extended period of time, most families don't have the savings to weather that.

40% of Americans don’t have $400 in the bank for emergency expenses: Federal Reserve

https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-america...ry?id=63253846

[KQ]

Depends how we define standard of living. Less needless consumption, less commute travel and more WFH, cleaner public places and restaurants, more domestic travel. I'm an optimist.

I'm with you. We can make what comes after positive if we choose.

[skiballs]

whoa, hahaha. Back at ya for presenting an argument for your fucking inheritance to kick in. Jezuz. You're going to be old someday too.

I don't need or want my parents money. I hope they live to spend every dime they earned. If there's any left, it will go to my kids. I hope I die before I get old.
You're a very selfish person, you probably can't understand what I say.