Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[bennymac]

That was so last night...

sorry my bad. been in covid meetings - hard to keep up with real world versus TGR world - but I'm trying

[bennymac]

So spats and steep are homeboys. Spats, the tone of your posts really changed rhis month. New drug or new degree? Both can affect the brain.

and yet Steep is noticeably absent these days...

[Bunion 2020]

He is busy re-balancing his portfolio.

[bennymac]

He is busy re-balancing his portfolio.

More likely the administration saw his posts on here summarizing Nature papers on viral shedding and called him up to lead a task force

[MultiVerse]

Once again, be smart. I'm not saying "hurr durr it's just the flu bro."

I'm going to keep posting facts and figures from official sources and scientists.

Once again, this is speculation...but if it's true, it means we've all been whipped into a panicked frenzy over something no worse than the seasonal flu, from which 15,000 to 60,000 people die every year.

I guess we're all lucky the guy "not saying 'hurr durr it's just the flu bro'" isn't speculating it's "no worse than the seasonal flu." And we're especially lucky the guy urging calm in the face of rumor this time around wasn't the main H1N1 "conspiracy" guy the last time around:

Anyone else notice that the notice begins "The Iowa DPH has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1."

Not "you have been tested and you are infected" -- just "we say you've been exposed, and we do not need ANY PROOF of this nor any reason other than our own say-so to incarcerate you."

You're being softened up to accept arbitrary incursions of unconstitutional authority in every facet of your life. Unconstitutional searches and asset seizures in the name of the "War On Drugs", pervasive unconstitutional surveillance and arbitrary denial of the right of free travel in the name of the "War On Terror", and now unconstitutional "quarantine orders" (i.e. incarceration) that don't require any sickness or anything beyond a random government official's say-so -- all designed to get you used to the leash.

The most noxious part is Spats was probably the guy who after complaining the government did too much during H1N1 afterwards took a victory lap saying hurr durr I told you it was nothing. We can probably expect something similar if SARS2 is brought under control.

[BGnight]

2. No ability to isolate virus (from "VirusGuy" online)
The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such).

PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.

Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.

The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all.

The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.

And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.

If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have.

And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.

Do you see where this is going yet?

If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.

There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.

Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.

Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.

Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people you are mislabelling – your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.
2. You can tell people that ‘minimising’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.
3. You can talk bullshittery about r0 numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience
4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptomless cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen

Take these simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

3. Response does not match alleged epidemiology (from "VirusGuy" online)
Even if we were able to isolate and show that COVID-19 existed, there is nothing in the epidemiology we are being presented with to justify any quarantine measures let alone the utterly insane measures we are seeing. Even if you don’t know anything about epidemiology can you not comprehend some basic statistics?

We don’t quarantine flu with an r0 of about the same as this supposed novel covi and numbers of clinical cases hugely surpass it. We accept that more than half a million deaths will happen from flu but need to shield people from a few thousand covi deaths to the point of shutting down the whole of society.

Why would this be the case? Are you less dead if the flu kills you? The hysteria and gullibility are breathtaking.

And please do not tell me we need to act while the numbers are small, because that is our media talking through you and not your own thinking. Stop. Consider. Less than 1% of Wuhan’s population was clinically infected with this supposed novel covi. 3% of that 1% died. That is not the profile of a new killer pathogen. It is not the profile of anything you need extreme quarantine to beat. It is the profile of either a new weakly infective pathogen, or, as I strongly suspect, a known pathogen with good herd immunity. A flu virus in fact.

[riser4]

I always thought to myself when I was a young boy, you know what, when I grow up, I went to get high huffing car exhaust fumes.

[Core Shot]

I always thought to myself when I was a young boy, you know what, when I grow up, I went to get high huffing car exhaust fumes.

I always dreamed of testor’s model airplane glue

[Benny Profane]

Copper.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90476550...-covered-in-it

[bennymac]

Is the tinfoil hat there to protect a person's head so that they can drive it down really deep into the sand?

[Core Shot]

Copper.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90476550...-covered-in-it

That’s pretty fuckin cool info

I always wondered how stagnant water in an unused house could still be potable. Maybe it was the copper?

Interesting data about old worn brass doorknobs and handrails.

[Deebased]

Norway just sent an alert to all Norwegian students studying aboard to get out. Especially 3rd world countries like the USA.

Norway’s renowned University of Science and Technology has issued an alert urging students studying abroad to return home as a response to the coronavirus pandemic — specifically singling out the U.S.

The warning from the nation’s largest university, with some 40,000 students, applies “especially” to students staying in nations with “poorly developed health services,” as well as countries, “for example the USA,” with a “poorly developed collective infrastructure.”

The alert notes it can be difficult in the U.S. to “get transport to the airport if you don’t have a car.” It added, apparently referring to “poorly developed health services,” that, “The same applies if you don’t have health insurance.”

So much for thinking the USA was 2nd world status, but nope, 3rd world for America!

https://twitter.com/andraydomise/sta...025826376.html

Ever tried to get around Norway outside of Oslo?

Maybe by poor they meant you can get a hot pizza in the US for $5 in Norway its closer to $40 for the same shitty pizza.

[El Chupacabra]

Hey BG - did you grow up in a place with a lot of lead paint flakes?

[BGnight]

Hey BG - did you grow up in a place with a lot of lead paint flakes?

The jerk store called...


...and I'm right. It's hard being the only one who know's what's going on in a sea of brainwashed soy boys.

[old goat]

I'm not a COVID skeptic. I'm not an expert and I defer to the experts who say we have a problem. But the measures we are taking to contain the virus are causing enormous damage and it would be foolish to ignore the skeptics. We should be asking over and over again--are we doing too much, are we doing the right thing, or is there more we should be doing. We should be ready to change course if and when the facts change. Shoot me if you want, but one of the questions we should be asking is what damage are we doing to the lives of young people in order to protect the elderly. I don't have an answer but the question has to be asked, and asked publicly.

Re the accuracy of the tests. I don't know what the accuracy is. The tests are new, the disease is new, and there isn't an easily checked gold standard like a biopsy that confirm a positive test in a living patient. As the article Spats posted says, if you take a test with a significant false positive rate and test a large group of people few of whom have the disease, most of your positives will be false, with a significant impact on people's lives and at significant expense. Testing should be focused, not widespread screening of low risk people, even if we had the means to do it. I don't know the actual numbers for this particular disease and test, but I understand the reasoning. Tests can do harm. The accuracy of tests and who should get one is a constant problem in medicine.

[LeeLau]

Canada to close their borders to foreigners, per an announcement from Trudeau

But not the US.border and not to US citizens. Wtf

[LeeLau]

Switzerland is shutting down

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politic...ation/45620148

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Effff me

[wendigo]

But not the US.border and not to US citizens. Wtf

Hey man, like you can't keep me out!
Besides, all we want to do is ski around Nadahini - nobody lives there - so no worries.

[Bunion 2020]

Shoot me if you want, but one of the questions we should be asking is what damage are we doing to the lives of young people in order to protect the elderly.

No gun, just a question. Damage?

Do you mean monetary?

Fair question if that is what you mean.

[up an down]

Ever tried to get around Norway outside of Oslo?

Maybe by poor they meant you can get a hot pizza in the US for $5 in Norway its closer to $40 for the same shitty pizza.

I have some Norwegian relatives... They live well outside of Oslo...on an island not too far from Stavenger... And it is not at all burdensome to travel there... And while food in a decent restaurant isn't cheap... The government is MANY times better for the average citizen in Norway compared to the USA....

[KQ]

I always thought to myself when I was a young boy, you know what, when I grow up, I went to get high huffing car exhaust fumes.

LOL!! You guys are really bringing it tonight. Thanks for the laffs. Makes up for not being able to find a butternut squash.

How you doing Riser?

[AK47bp]

That’s pretty fuckin cool info

I always wondered how stagnant water in an unused house could still be potable. Maybe it was the copper?

Interesting data about old worn brass doorknobs and handrails.

People putting copper tape on traffic light buttons in Seattle.




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[glademaster]

JFC, my mom has a dry cough, sore throat, headache, and low grade (~99F) fever. Long distance worrying, checking in.

[KQ]

JFC, my mom has a dry cough, sore throat, headache, and low grade (~99F) fever. Long distance worrying, checking in.

crap

[Rideski]