ON3P SKIS Discussion

[adrenalated]

Here’s a video of the Jeffreys at Loveland today. Just some regular skiing, nothing extreme, but I think you get the idea. Wife got the flu so our weekend hut-trip plans fell through and I ended up in town for the morning but skied the last 1.5 hours (and then skinned for fitness after, which helped improve the driving:skiing ratio). Not really sure it qualifies as stoke per say, but thought someone might enjoy.

I want to see the video of today where you hooked the gobro on the rope and launched a piece of bamboo 50 yards downhill
(Good skiing a couple laps with ya!)

[auvgeek]

I want to see the video of today where you hooked the gobro on the rope and launched a piece of bamboo 50 yards downhill
(Good skiing a couple laps with ya!)

Yeah, full gaper mode today. But I was trying some aftermarket batteries that apparently don't last long in the cold so it wasn't even on when that happened. Good reminder that it sticks out above my head in trees and stuff. Glad we linked up!

[Gman]

Pretty sure ON3P runs a 1 and 1 on their edges

[uglymoney]

Pretty sure ON3P runs a 1 and 1 on their edges

Yes. Yes they do.

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[himavan]

dhoh! I've been running a diamond stone on my kartels at 2 degrees on the side.
I'm kind of gaper in terms of tuning -- is there a good reason to keep on3ps at 1 and 1? (especially if you're not on the east coast)

On a similar note, I'm sure it's been covered somewhere in this thread, but are y'all detuning BGs? And how would you do it with the asym?

[Bandit Man]

I would have to actually tune my
BG’s to then be able to detune them. Mine are all on the original factory tune.

[BC.]

dhoh! I've been running a diamond stone on my kartels at 2 degrees on the side.
I'm kind of gaper in terms of tuning -- is there a good reason to keep on3ps at 1 and 1? (especially if you're not on the east coast)

On a similar note, I'm sure it's been covered somewhere in this thread, but are y'all detuning BGs? And how would you do it with the asym?

They do come 1/1 from factory......

I’m on EC....I have Wren 108’s...so I put a 1/3 on them. They have skied better after putting the 1/3 on them......but that’s probably because I’m used to that on all my others.....needing that extra bite.

Unfortunately I haven’t had the opportunity to have them out in favorable conditions so to speak....will be at GT/JH in a couple weeks and really looking forward to seeing what they can do.

[crank54]

They do come 1/1 from factory......

I’m on EC....I have Wren 108’s...so I put a 1/3 on them. They have skied better after putting the 1/3 on them......but that’s probably because I’m used to that on all my others.....needing that extra bite.

Unfortunately I haven’t had the opportunity to have them out in favorable conditions so to speak....will be at GT/JH in a couple weeks and really looking forward to seeing what they can do.

Good to know the W108 behaves well with 1/3. That's how all my other skis are tuned (I'm EC as well) but I remember reading some stuff a few pages back about how ON3P thinks their skis work better with a 1/1 tune (I think).

Had my 184 W108s out this past storm cycle at Stowe and they were amazing. Did everything I wanted: carve, smear, float, go fast, go slow.

Amazing ski.


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[uglymoney]

The Wrens hanging out in the locker room for apres ski happy they are back on my good side.

[PowTron]

Good to know the W108 behaves well with 1/3. That's how all my other skis are tuned (I'm EC as well) but I remember reading some stuff a few pages back about how ON3P thinks their skis work better with a 1/1 tune (I think).


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That’s why they are tuned leaving the factory at 1/1...

[auvgeek]

I'm kind of gaper in terms of tuning -- is there a good reason to keep on3ps at 1 and 1? (especially if you're not on the east coast)

The question is better asked: why wouldn't you keep the ON3P at 1/1, especially if you're not on the east coast? I'm no tuning expert, but my understanding is:

Base Bevel: Easy of pivoting with bases flat. Racers run 0.5-1 deg for downhill and 0-0.5 deg for slalom.
Side/Edge Bevel: How much grip the ski has on edge. Racers run up to 3 deg for downhill and up to 4 deg for slalom.
Overall bevel determines how deep the edge penetrates the snow (which makes for more grip but a more "locked in" feeling) and also how quickly the ski hooks up.

So a 1/1 will feel less "locked in" on edge than a 1/3 because it has a less acute edge angle. IME, 1/1 is the standard "pow ski" tune, which works well for most ON3P skis cuz of the rocker. I could see changing the narrow Wrens to a higher side bevel if you ski a lot of ice and don't like to skid your turns (though there are prolly better skis for that IMHO -- something with less rocker and more torsional stiffness). I could also see experimenting with a higher base bevel on the C&D to make them extra schmeary. Before DPS went to "spooned" bases, Marshall use to feather the base bevel on his L138s from 1 deg underfoot to 3 deg toward the tip.

Frankly, I just leave all mine at 1/1, except my spring/summer skis which have a 1/3 for firm snow.

[uglymoney]

Yeah I keep the BG 1 1. I live in the lower midwest. 1 3 is standard issue here. I also carry files and diamond stones with me wherever I go so durable edges are less important to me. Also we have like 12 pairs of active skis in our family quiver and I like KISS. My Wren 98's are 27,000 times more smearable after a good grind and the 1 3 than they were before so shrug. To each their own.





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[auvgeek]

Yeah I keep the BG 1 1. I live in the lower midwest. 1 3 is standard issue here. I also carry files and diamond stones with me wherever I go so durable edges are less important to me. Also we have like 12 pairs of active skis in our family quiver and I like KISS. My Wren 98's are 27,000 times more smearable after a good grind and the 1 3 than they were before so shrug. To each their own.

I'm not disputing your experience at all. If you live somewhere with less snow or lots of man-made snow, a 1/2 or 1/3 could def make sense. But if your pair somehow didn't have enough base bevel from the factory, that could make them super hooky. IME, a 1/3 feels more locked in on edge than a 1/1.

[blackalps]

Maybe I should try that with mine before selling them. I cannot get them to turn. Ive never felt this way with a ski before. Every time Ive had them out I head back to the car after one run.

Mine are custom as well. Bought during the white Wednesday sale.


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you should. I hated my Wren 98s until I fully ground and retuned and detuned them. I bought them used so I have no idea what happened to them before I got them.

[crank54]

That’s why they are tuned leaving the factory at 1/1...

Noted, and my Wrens have been great with the factory tune so far. But the shop that tunes / base grinds all my skis uses 3 deg side for everything, so when the time comes for the Wrens to be refreshed/retuned, it's good to know that they don't magically transform into unwieldy monsters with a 1/3 tune.

[margotron]

Yeah. 189 is a bit stiffer. It’s more of an all business ski, IMO. I think it plows less than the 191, but both plow more than the Lhasa.

Plow how? I dunno how to translate that word to skiing

[margotron]

Everybody should own Billy Goats. Especially if you’re in the pacific time zone. My life is more complete because of Billy Goats.

On that note, how annoying do I have to be to get Iggy to build a 184 ski out of the Billy goat mould that weighs under 9 lbs? I know it’s anathema to on3p and it couldn’t really be accurately named a billy goat, but I would happily pay full price for that ski before anybody else skied it and told me if it was good or bad.

It’s not really my style to go full aever but I’d really love an RES touring ski that wasn’t stupid heavy. I guess there are no on3p skis that don’t have bamboo cores? The praxis enduro/veneer layup with RES would be super rad IMO.

The tour layup bg in 184 is still nearly 10 lbs.

Make a 189 under 9lbs and I'll buy too. BGs clicked like no ski before. Put me in the camp that was not enamored w Bibby. They're really different skis.

[Norseman]

Noted, and my Wrens have been great with the factory tune so far. But the shop that tunes / base grinds all my skis uses 3 deg side for everything, so when the time comes for the Wrens to be refreshed/retuned, it's good to know that they don't magically transform into unwieldy monsters with a 1/3 tune.

Buy a file guide and keep the 1°.

[MHSP1497]

Plow how? I dunno how to translate that word to skiing

Basically, it feels like they’re “just about to plane” higher in the snow. Feels like the tip is pushing/plowing the snow rather than riding on top of it. Incidentally, I have not noticed this effect on my C&D’s. Not sure if it’s the extra length, extra width, the tour layup or a combination of all 3...

edited to add: the plowing effect really only happens in low-angle and slower speeds.

[iamTRuTH]

I have around 5 days on my asym 184 BG and can’t seem to click with them. I going to give them another day or so, but will probably let them go.

[3PinGrin]

I have around 5 days on my asym 184 BG and can’t seem to click with them. I going to give them another day or so, but will probably let them go.

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[Bandit Man]

I have around 5 days on my asym 184 BG and can’t seem to click with them. I going to give them another day or so, but will probably let them go.

How are you using them? As a pow/soft snow ski or all-around ski?

[3PinGrin]

How are you using them? As a pow/soft snow ski or all-around ski?

Don't you go messing this up now, lol.

[iamTRuTH]

How are you using them? As a pow/soft snow ski or all-around ski?

Pow/soft snow only.


I love my wrens (I’ve had 5 pairs), and thought the BG were a slam dunk. Tried all the tricks here and don’t feel the magic.
I don’t feel confident charging on them like the wrens, and I don’t think they pivot all that much quicker in tight trees.

[Bandit Man]

Pow/soft snow only.


I love my wrens (I’ve had 5 pairs), and thought the BG were a slam dunk. Tried all the tricks here and don’t feel the magic.
I don’t feel confident charging on them like the wrens, and I don’t think they pivot all that much quicker in tight trees.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I sold my Wren 108’s because I thought BG’s charge harder and are easier in tight spaces. Don’t have an answer for ya.