2017 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

[galibier_numero_un]

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... Thom

[dschane]

Thanks for the input dschane. How much do you weigh and what size you get? Do you think the 4 flex is stiff enough? And have you skied the Brahma?

And was thinking the same thing on the 9d8. That extra bit of stability to tone down the chatter and crust. I also like that the 9d8 comes in 179. 177-79 is my money length for an in bounds ski.

My hesitation with the bigger ski is loosing that bite on steep, hard to icy sections like the top of Siberia which I love to lap on old snow days.

I went with 185 cm, which is probably closer to 184 tip to tip. I'm 190 lb nakid. #4 flex is stiff but definitely not aever stiff (though I'm making assumptions since I've never tried aever or #5). My first pair of Rxs were medium (equivalent of 3, I believe) and if I rode only powder, I'd would have stuck with that -- my current pair is 4.

The maple ash core is farking sweet.

Thom, I think you're on track and given what you already have, I'd vote for Piste Jibs, heavy and stiff -- as I'd like to try that.

[galibier_numero_un]

... Thom, I think you're on track and given what you already have, I'd vote for Piste Jibs, heavy and stiff -- as I'd like to try that.

Thanks! That's funny. Yer waiting for my heavy, stiffies to show up on gear swap ;-)

I'm really tempted to snag the stock build and not wait all Sumner (enduro, veneer, flex 3) - for an easy peasy ski that I might mount with Vipecs.

... Thom

[Shu Shu]

Thom, when I was going back and forth with Keith re: PJ vs MVP, he said that the MVP is basically a sized up PJ with more taper and rocker, essentially making it more of an off piste jib. keith told me he doens't consider the MVP a pow ski, but considering how well the PJ does in 6" I bet the MVP is a blast. I want one and I am using all restraint to stay away from this custom sale.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but the stock PJ is the Maple Ash core, aka Heavy core. It's outstanding in this ski, but I seam to remember you liking the enduro more.

[jmars]

I'll piggy back on Shu here b/c the PJ (184 3+) this season it became the ski I looked to every time.....I wanted reasons to ski it and found many. NE tree skiing is a blast for it, it maybe the most perfect NE tree ski for me (unless its post storm 10" or more)...its poppy, scrubs speed fast, pivots but you can lay a trench down when back on groomers.....this is also why I love my concepts but I don't need all the width all the time. Also bumps on the PJ are blast. I purchased as a playful spring, slush fun ski....what I got was another Praxis dethroning other brands I have and previous held in high regard.

Its not you friend on a bulletproof or locked up icy day but those days I'm jumping on a true slalom ski anyway.

[galibier_numero_un]

Thanks guys,

I'm glad I included the BC in the above chart (it's been lingering in the back of my mind). I e-mailed Keith, but with his overload this time of year, I didn't expect to hear back for a while.

Basically, he sez that if my goal is to have a skinnier GPO, that the BC is the way to go.

Edit to add: In a typical blonde moment, I lost track of a great review from last month on skinny GPOs - more confirmation that going +10 or -10 doesn't necessarily end up with the ski you'd expect

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...xis-Skinny-GPO

From your comments (@Shu Shu and @jmars), I get the impression that I'd have a blast on the PJ's, as skiing my Q's this year has "conditioned" me to a bit more of a centered stance (old dogs can learn new tricks).

I believe the standard issue PJ is Enduro/Veneer, and from a layup perspective, this would be perfect. This is still very tempting. After a demo of some Kartel 98's, I can see liking the PJ's a lot.

Rather than summarize what he said, I'll quote him:

Never thought of the GPO and Piste Jib as similar designs. The Piste Jib is a more center mounted twin tip and the tail is only 5 mm skinnier than the tip so not a lot of overall taper. Tip and tail rise is a lot quicker on the Piste jib with slow rise on the GPO.

I put the backcountry to be more like the GPO in a skinnier version.

The Piste Jib and MVP are in the same class/series. Both being more center stance twins with less overall taper. The PNR, PJ, and MVP are the skis we offer that are on the more jibby side set up to ski forward or backwards well, or spin and flip with a more centered axis.


Have you tried our Backcountry ski yet?

... Thom

[Banh Mi]

I think I’m going to get an MVP with this sale. I need to sell some stuff first though.


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[SchralphMacchio]

I e-mailed Keith ... Basically, he sez that if my goal is to have a skinnier GPO, that the BC is the way to go.

Interesting ... cue up Flex 3+ and Flex 4 BC w/ Enduro-no-carbon science experiment orders ... who's funding this research?

Edit, both are super surfy, but I don't entirely buy the comparison as the boot center points are pretty far off between these two skis designs, and my 180 BC skis so much shorter than my 182 GPO. That said, maybe the BC tail starts feeling a lot bigger when you go to Flex 3+/4 ...

[undertow2]

I think I’m going to get an MVP with this sale. I need to sell some stuff first though.


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I will sell these shipped for $400... 193 MVP, med-stiff, std layup and never mounted...



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[PNW_Skier206]

I will sell these shipped for $400... 193 MVP, med-stiff, std layup and never mounted...



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Damn if those were 187s I’d be all over it.


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[N1CK.]

That's a sweet deal from Undertow. ^^^

MVPs, when mounted on the rec line, ski quite agile and 'short' as they say. If you currently ski 188-190 skis you have nothing to fear.

[Drazzamatazz]

Thanks guys,

I'm glad I included the BC in the above chart (it's been lingering in the back of my mind). I e-mailed Keith, but with his overload this time of year, I didn't expect to hear back for a while.

Basically, he sez that if my goal is to have a skinnier GPO, that the BC is the way to go.

From your comments (@Shu Shu and @jmars), I get the impression that I'd have a blast on the PJ's, as skiing my Q's this year has "conditioned" me to a bit more of a centered stance (old dogs can learn new tricks).

I believe the standard issue PJ is Enduro/Veneer, and from a layup perspective, this would be perfect. This is still very tempting. After a demo of some Kartel 98's, I can see liking the PJ's a lot.

Rather than summarize what he said, I'll quote him:



... Thom

Almost had me looking at the PJ instead of the BC, but Keith's words made me trust in my choice. Ordering up right now.

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[JayPowHound]

Trigger pulled, and I managed to just sneak in while the free shipping is still available.

182 Quixote, Enduro 4 with white oak veneer, quixote graphic printed on tails only.. tips clean veneer. 'Merica diecut base.

So stoked!!!

[jmars]

One note on the PJ... if you typically tune your skis sharp (guilty), the ski gets highly grabby and kicks around a lot.

Typically on a center (or near center) mount you can drive through a high sharp edge (especially when stiff out) but I don’t find this to be the case of shape/style ski.

[skibrd]

I will sell these shipped for $400... 193 MVP, med-stiff, std layup and never mounted...



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Seriously interesting...

[galibier_numero_un]

One note on the PJ... if you typically tune your skis sharp (guilty), the ski gets highly grabby and kicks around a lot.

Typically on a center (or near center) mount you can drive through a high sharp edge (especially when stiff out) but I don’t find this to be the case of shape/style ski.

Gotcha. Is there a Praxis that doesn't benefit from massive tip/tail detuning? Perhaps the 9D and 9D8?

... Thom

[galibier_numero_un]

Interesting ... cue up Flex 3+ and Flex 4 BC w/ Enduro-no-carbon science experiment orders ... who's funding this research?

Edit, both are super surfy, but I don't entirely buy the comparison as the boot center points are pretty far off between these two skis designs, and my 180 BC skis so much shorter than my 182 GPO. That said, maybe the BC tail starts feeling a lot bigger when you go to Flex 3+/4 ...

I'm not sure what you mean about boot centers. They differ by 1cm, with the 182 GPO being at -7 (mine are mounted 1.5 back of that) and the 180 BC's at -8.

I'm giving serious consideration stiffening to a flex #4 ... definitely Enduro/Veneer, but waffling on carbon. My Quixotes in Enduro/Carbon/Veneer feel plenty damp for me but I'm open to leaving the carbon out. It's probably going to be a coin toss on that option.

... Thom

[JayPowHound]

Gotcha. Is there a Praxis that doesn't benefit from massive tip/tail detuning? Perhaps the 9D and 9D8?

... Thom

My 9D8s definitely benefited from a gummy on the rockered portions of the tips from the factory.

I also shortly thereafter cut a 3° bevel into the side edges and then detuned both tips and trails, as thats what I prefer for the firm EC groomers that they often see. No ill effects in soft bumps or in the trees, but again thats a pretty standard tune for me so take that for what it's worth...

[2FUNKY]

Custom 192 ProTest. Enduro core, oak veneer, 4 flex ordered. Stoked. Gonna be super sexy.

[phatty]

Custom 192 ProTest. Enduro core, oak veneer, 4 flex ordered. Stoked. Gonna be super sexy.

Which graphics? Sounds sexy.

[galibier_numero_un]

I think every one of us placing a custom order should receive an honorary diploma from the Praxis school of dentistry ;-)

... Thom

[skibrd]

The Super Freerides were awesome again yesterday and today. Took them up to Cody and NoName Bowl yesterday, and into Granite Canyon today. Do really need to keep my boots tight on them. I tried to keep them loose tight, but the tips wandered on me, sort of fluttering back and forth. I do HAVE to stay on the tips and keep my hands up and forward, or I get my but kicked. I’m trying to track down a 5 stiffness pair of Super Freerides that are rumored to be living in Idaho. If I can get my hands on them, Ill report back on the differences. Hopefully the tails are slightly more supportive.

I’m looking at ordering a pair of Protests for next winter for a Japan trip. Does anyone know if Keith can edit out parts of a top sheet when printing them on a veneer? I think the Protests would look awesome with a Navaho stop sheet, printed on veneer, but minus the wood printed part. Probably the white oak, ambrosia maple, or Karelian birch veneer, hoping its a little lighter then the Max on cherry. If Keith cant edit out the wood part of the Navaho topsheet, I might just go Mother Theresa on cherry, seems a little douchie, but I bet it would look absolutely fucking amazing.

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[Muggydude]

^95% sure he can do that on the Navajo

[skibrd]

^95% sure he can do that on the Navajo

That would make them awesome. Either that or I might have to just get a veneer with no top sheet art, the Navaho Praxis with the core, length, model and stiffness under Praxis.


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[Self Jupiter]

Someone buy those UT MVPs. You won’t regret it.