Woman killed by self-driving Uber car

**Benny Profane** · 03-22-2018, 10:39 AM

I think that was a deer the other night.......

**Art Shirk** · 03-22-2018, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Seems odd this is the thread that resulted in him bouncing.

Not really. He came in to let everyone know he was smarter than them and when no one agreed, he realized that he couldn't project his mind's echo chamber onto TGR as a wider audience. It also didn't work in his last election but people with long egos have to have short memories so I bet he's off to see if the real world will buy his brand again. As brit said, he will be back here again too to tell us why the real world is dumb for not having done so. Hell, he's reading right now.

**bobz** · 03-22-2018, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

Howany people got killed by cars with drivers ?

The current rate for ped and cyclist fatalities, by car, in the US is 1.25 per 100 million miles driven. One incident doesn't establish a statistical record, but let's just say that this incident gives self-driving cars (and Uber in particular) a pretty bad head start on whatever statistical record they end up establishing.

**Bobby Stainless** · 03-22-2018, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Art Shirk

Not really. He came in to let everyone know he was smarter than them and when no one agreed, he realized that he couldn't project his mind's echo chamber onto TGR as a wider audience. It also didn't work in his last election but people with long egos have to have short memories so I bet he's off to see if the real world will buy his brand again. As brit said, he will be back here again too to tell us why the real world is dumb for not having done so. Hell, he's reading right now.

Nailed it.

Did you see that the Money Pit house is for sale?

They put 10 in it and are asking 5 something. Actual Money Pit.

Carlos was Hitlers pool man. So they have to sell now.

**DBdude** · 03-22-2018, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by zartagen

Don't go pio, your scathing burn on Benny and others was the only thing that actually made me laugh out loud on tgr today.

liar

**Meadow Skipper** · 03-22-2018, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

He just flipped.

Again.

I guess that's the way he rolls.

Good one(s).

**Art Shirk** · 03-22-2018, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Nailed it.

Did you see that the Money Pit house is for sale?

I didn't, but I know the carpentry is probably pretty top notch.

**PNWbrit** · 03-22-2018, 12:31 PM

WSJ reporting Uber "safety driver" involved in fatal accident had criminal record.

For a company that has already had issues with it's background check policy for drivers.. that's going to hurt.

**SumJongGuy** · 03-22-2018, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

WSJ reporting Uber "safety driver" involved in fatal accident had criminal record.

For a company that has already had issues with it's background check policy for drivers.. that's going to hurt.

OK here we go!

**MultiVerse** · 03-22-2018, 12:39 PM

Homeless drug addict dies from walking into the path of robot car carrying transgender armed robber… welcome to the future, Earthlings.

**bobz** · 03-22-2018, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

WSJ reporting Uber "safety driver" involved in fatal accident had criminal record.

For a company that has already had issues with it's background check policy for drivers.. that's going to hurt.

It will hurt, probably more than it should. I'm all for people with sketchy stuff years in their past getting another chance. The real problem seems to be that Uber went bare minimum in terms of meeting their backup driver requirement, that they went with a low-caliber hire to fill what they probably considered a low-skill (and low-paying) job, regardless of whether the person is an ex-criminal.

**PNWbrit** · 03-22-2018, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by bobz

It will hurt, probably more than it should. I'm all for people with sketchy stuff years in their past getting another chance. The real problem seems to be that Uber went bare minimum in terms of meeting their backup driver requirement, that they went with a low-caliber hire to fill what they probably considered a low-skill (and low-paying) job, regardless of whether the person is an ex-criminal.

Yep.... They should have had Mario Andretti driving these things.

Not some schlub.

more than it should

As far as I'm concerned no one can hurt that company enough.

**skaredshtles** · 03-22-2018, 12:57 PM

Yeah - I suspect that Waymo is going to eat Uber's lunch at the end of this day... which will be fine by me since Uber, as a company, sucks donkey balls.

**iceman** · 03-22-2018, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Homeless drug addict dies from walking into the path of robot car carrying transgender armed robber… welcome to the future, Earthlings.

the future is now

still no flying cars though

**Dantheman** · 03-22-2018, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by neufox47

You naysayers are no different than those who said the horse will always be the dominant form of transportation. Driving a car will become a leisure only activity on select roads and tracks. Like horseback riding.

http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2...tomobiles.html

The way I see it the change will be gradual. At first driverless cars will coexist with drivers and bad weather will require human drivers. But then certain expressways with terrible traffic will say no more drivers and only driverless cars that move far more efficiently than human drivers are allowed in certain lanes or during rush hour. Then a city will go to all driverless cars. Once that is successful every major city will follow suit and then the suburbs.

Likewise cars and roads will get better and better at driving in rain, snow, fog and weather. They will use a host of different systems; visual, lidar, GPS, radar, etc. Roads will have sensors that identify lanes, road friction, temperature, etc.

This is pretty much how I see things happening. How fast is hard to say, but even if the cars only get 10% better each year they will rapidly overtake the skill level of the average human driver.

The lack of brake response or evasive maneuvers by the car in light of the video is definitely not good. That said, it's virtually certain that a human driver would not be deemed at fault in this case. The average driver response time is 2.3 seconds (http://copradar.com/redlight/factors/IEA2000_ABS51.pdf) so a human driver very well may not have hit the brakes either. The NTSB report is going to an interesting read.

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Yeah - I suspect that Waymo is going to eat Uber's lunch at the end of this day... which will be fine by me since Uber, as a company, sucks donkey balls.

Agreed on all counts.

**grskier** · 03-22-2018, 01:20 PM

I agree with neu and Dan...

And remember, it's already here.

I'll watch the video in a bit, but, I also agree with the hiring practices.. you'd think that a company might put a premium on these backup drivers given how early in the process and testing this is.

**fmac** · 03-22-2018, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by grskier

I agree with neu and Dan...

And remember, it's already here.

I'll watch the video in a bit, but, I also agree with the hiring practices.. you'd think that a company might put a premium on these backup drivers given how early in the process and testing this is.

The backup drivers must still be subject to rules regarding cell phone use while driving... I wonder if the driver is going to be pinned with charges.

**SumJongGuy** · 03-22-2018, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by forrest_mac

The backup drivers must still be subject to rules regarding cell phone use while driving... I wonder if the driver is going to be pinned with charges.

I thought the official PD report blamed the accident on the pedestrian 100%..

**Kenny Satch** · 03-22-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

I thought the official PD report blamed the accident on the pedestrian 100%..

But shouldn't the automated braking have reacted quicker

**iceman** · 03-22-2018, 02:02 PM

My wife saw Musk speak at SXSW a week or so ago, he said that autonomous cars would be all over the place in 18 months. He did add, "I've been known to have trouble with deadlines though."

He also reiterated his position on AI, calling it "a bigger threat to humanity than nuclear weapons."

**DBdude** · 03-22-2018, 02:07 PM

really bright people can be wrong

there is going to be a down sizing of the human population -- hopefully through declining birthrates

**Benny Profane** · 03-22-2018, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

My wife saw Musk speak at SXSW a week or so ago, he said that autonomous cars would be all over the place in 18 months. He did add, "I've been known to have trouble with deadlines though."

He also reiterated his position on AI, calling it "a bigger threat to humanity than nuclear weapons."

Yeah, well, grifters gotta grift. It certainly seems to be working for Mr. Iron Man. Ka-ching. And his companies are losing money, and, yeah, deadlines are a serious issue, it seems.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/tesl...tion-plan.html

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**DBdude** · 03-22-2018, 02:13 PM

i think the rocket business will make money. i think he will make money from battery technology. the car business is probably not going to work out - we will see...