Shiffrin

[Vt-Freeheel]

That link available anywhere beyond fb?

Search Jong

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

Which is why ski instructors are not race coaches.

QFT.

[nyskirat]

It will be interesting to see if she can figure out her GS to be more consistent.

When you watch her, watch her right-footed turns. They're not as clean as her left-footed ones, which to me indicates she has an equipment issue.

If you go back a few years to the first year of the Redster boot you'll notice she switched from that years boot to the previous years after a few races with (for her) sub-par results.


I can't recall if this has been discussed here before.

[Dexter Rutecki]

The lifted inside skis have got to be giving the instructor thought police fits.

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

[Dexter Rutecki]

It will be interesting to see if she can figure out her GS to be more consistent.

When you watch her, watch her right-footed turns. They're not as clean as her left-footed ones, which to me indicates she has an equipment issue.

If you go back a few years to the first year of the Redster boot you'll notice she switched from that years boot to the previous years after a few races with (for her) sub-par results.


I can't recall if this has been discussed here before.

I've seen her ski dozens of races and not noticed this. Will take another look. I did know about the boot switch.

[Toadman]

It will be interesting to see if she can figure out her GS to be more consistent.

When you watch her, watch her right-footed turns. They're not as clean as her left-footed ones, which to me indicates she has an equipment issue.

If you go back a few years to the first year of the Redster boot you'll notice she switched from that years boot to the previous years after a few races with (for her) sub-par results.


I can't recall if this has been discussed here before.

It's not necessarily an equipment issue. Everyone has a dominant leg, just like your arms. You are either left handed or right handed. Very few people that are ambidextrous. Same with your feet. We all carve a cleaner turn on one side over the other. Unless of course, you don't know how to carve...

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

There's nothing in race technique now that dictates the lifting of the inside ski as a primary goal, but it's not a flaw, and it's a common byproduct of getting weight forward and over the new outside ski and ball of foot, and retracting the inside.

This does give fits to some ski instructors. For Shiffrin, some have even been pretty vocal that she doesn't lift her inside ski regularly, even though it takes about 15 seconds of watching a slalom to see her do this. https://youtu.be/aYlGHYL9nGE

PSIA has actually tried to move closer organizationally to USSA. I think the ski instructor resistance to the way racers ski and train is less organizational and more because the average ski instructor finds something like the "Get Over It" drill hard, and that presents ego problems.

[Hammer-Down]

more importantly than legs and boots........who is she dating?

[nyskirat]

It's not necessarily an equipment issue. Everyone has a dominant leg, just like your arms. You are either left handed or right handed. Very few people that are ambidextrous. Same with your feet. We all carve a cleaner turn on one side over the other. Unless of course, you don't know how to carve...

Given that it was not an issue a few years/pairs of boots back, I'd say it's likely an equipment issue.

When I say clean, I don't mean only carving a clean turn, I mean her body/positioning isn't as clean (shoulders parallel to the hill, hips angled properly, etc.) which results in an uglier turn.

This was an issue a few years ago, as evidenced by this NYT piece-

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/s...y-14-2015.html

As some of you may or may not know, WC-level athletes have multiple pairs of boots and skis for each discipline and almost always change them after a year.

Watch her feet and the angle of her skis coming into and out of the apex of the turn.
This is 2016


Now look at it here, in 2017.
http://videos.ussa.org/alpine/detail...autoStart=true

http://videos.ussa.org/alpine/detail...autoStart=true


Her right-footed turns are off. The ski doesn't have the same pressure as it does in the 2016 run which allows it to track slightly down the hill away from the uphill ski.

You can also look at her hip angle on each turn. She's able to get much better angulation on her left footed turns than her right.

To me, that screams something changed in her boots. I can't armchair QB too much more than that as I'd need to see her in slow-motion or up close.

I'm not an expert on alignment here, I'm just commenting on what I see and based it off my experiences as a FIS-level racer.

Edit: As I go back to look at the videos from 2016 vs. the 2017 one, it looks even more evident that she's not as comfortable on her boots this year.

[jackstraw]

Search Jong

I thought it was the slalom you jong! ...but thanks for that one

[plugboots]

Her right-footed turns are off.

Maybe she is favoring her injured leg in some way.

[Dee Hubbs]

more importantly than legs and boots........who is she dating?

French skier Mathieu Faivre.

https://www.instagram.com/mikaelashiffrin/

[My Pet Powder Goat]

French skier Mathieu Faivre.

https://www.instagram.com/mikaelashiffrin/

I Don't know anything about him, but I hate him. [emoji6]

[Bushwacka]

The lifted inside skis have got to be giving the instructor thought police fits.

Better to have the inside ski off the snow than to much weight on the inside ski. Hell basically all I teach to people is different way to balance on your outside ski. Been doing it for year even when the PSIA wanted "pretty" skiing. I could careless about pretty skiing, physically functional skiing is what any instructor or coach should be shooting for.

Up and over/get over it, is a such a great drill to get people to stop people from pushing on their outside ski and just standing it.

I think any instructor or coach who doesnt think that our balance in on the outside ski is worthless.

this was all done slowly for my audience it all easier to do faster. Speed makes thing easier to do.

[Bushwacka]

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

[Eastern Sierra Skier]

Really? I don't know much (anything?) about current PSIA crap (when I was about 18 I did a level 1 CSIA thing, for some reason), but that seems weird to me.

Also worth noting that in current ski coaching there is nothing that would dictate lifting the inside ski, although we certainly emphasize hard (extreme) commitment to the downhill ski for much of the turn. Obviously drills with a lifted ski can be useful, but I would assume ski instructors sometimes do the same things.

Back in the day we used to say that PSIA methodology was just what USSA had been doing three years prior. Not sure if that's true (or even if it ever was), but in some ways I could see that happening.

I think the most important difference between coaching and PSIA is that a good race coach will let people ski the way they want as long as it's fast. PSIA seems to want everyone in the same technical box (which I actually do understand, but they get overly rigid about it).

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

Guys, what I'm about to tell you is for your own safety and well being. You're talking way to much tech, and in the wrong forum. The skiers/riders that lurk in these forums are f*@king ruthless. They'll go off on you. I've seen it, a proverbial internet blanket party. I'm surprised one hasn't already. Don't rile them. Just sayin. So lets talk more Mikela, see if we can locate some bikini clade photos of her, and plan the painful execution of that dude in picture with her. Peace.

[jackstraw]

Fudgepacka posting his vids on the Shiffrin thread. What in the fuck! You are a complete idiot.


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[Dexter Rutecki]

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

I'm having some trouble with this...

I actually coach with a guy who is pals with Mikaela's coach (sometimes we get to use the video that he prepares for her, which is pretty cool). I know for a fact that this coach is well-versed in alignment and how to properly set up boots.

And I'm not sure if you're aware of what goes into prepping equipment for WC skiers, but I've seen the process with boots (and skis), and it is beyond extensive. So many different shells and cuffs and canting adjustments, grinds, shims, etc. etc. Atomic probably devotes a good part of every spring and summer to getting this right, so the idea that you have identified an issue with her lateral alignment just doesn't ring true to me. Every boot tech Atomic has has somehow missed this??

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Guys, what I'm about to tell you is for your own safety and well being. You're talking way to much tech, and in the wrong forum. The skiers/riders that lurk in these forums are f*@king ruthless. They'll go off on you. I've seen it, a proverbial internet blanket party. I'm surprised one hasn't already. Don't rile them. Just sayin. So lets talk more Mikela, see if we can locate some bikini clade photos of her, and plan the painful execution of that dude in picture with her. Peace.

Lol.

[Vt-Freeheel]

[Dexter Rutecki]

Nice shots.

[jackstraw]

Every boot tech Atomic has has somehow missed this??

Fudgepacka is beyond pro bro. He's kinda like trump...all knowing

[Dexter Rutecki]

Well, I don't have any idea who that guy is or why he posted that drill. Too bad Shiffy doesn't know about the javelin drill--she'd be a successful racer if only...

[neufox47]

As a PSIA education staff member(IE beyond L3) this is not true, especially as young blood get in. I will tell you I think the PSIA and USSA has their head up their ass about some things.

Namely lack of understanding on alignment, rotational balance, and COM movement though transition.

When Mikela has struggled its been mostly due to boot that the lateral alignment was set up to strong. IE pushing her knee further apart than needed. If you know what your looking for its silly easier to spot and fix by someone like PJ at racestock, but even at the highest levels of USSA/PSIA they do not seem to understand alignment. Just look at Vonn for over a decade she has been set up "soft" meaning her boots need ground to align her knee further out. I just want to make one thing clear, aligning boots is not about going after a "look" but get the skier in position where they can have the most range of motion from. generally it looks better, but it is also faster. For recreational skier properly aligned boots let them ski with more overall control and comfort....but yet the PSIA and USSA do not have alignment knowledge as part of their exams.

Are you implying that as a beyond PSIA level 3 instructor who never raced, you have knowledge and solutions that are unavailable to the USST techs and coaches? That could help the most dominant skier alive fix her few flaws? And easily with a simple equipment adjustment? Thats quite a statement.

[buttahflake]

Looks like he had real trouble with the 50/50 outside ski drill. Double and triple turning. Woof