You can't always get what you want.

[frorider]

"Ronnie Wood rejected chemotherapy for lung cancer: 'This hair wasn’t going anywhere' "



https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...rolling-stones

[liv2ski]

Bummer, but cigarettes will kill you sooner or later.

[DJSapp]

Bummer, but cigarettes will kill you sooner or later.

Read the article. It never reached his lymph nodes. He got it cut out and it appears to have eliminated it. All the sex, drugs, and rock and roll has made their bodies toxic to everything, including cancer.

[raisingarizona13]

Bummer, but cigarettes will kill you sooner or later.

Something has to.

My Grandma smoked cigs for around 60 years, she died in her sleep at 75.

[Benny Profane]

Read the article. It never reached his lymph nodes. He got it cut out and it appears to have eliminated it. All the sex, drugs, and rock and roll has made their bodies toxic to everything, including cancer.

I don't know. Maybe for now, but lung cancer is a quick death sentence. We'll see in a year.

[Benny Profane]

Looks like Ronnie should do a few Just For Men commercials.

[Benny Profane]

WESTON, CT—Since her first day on the job in October 1976, Keith Richards' housekeeper Rosemary Velasquez, 64, has mentally and emotionally prepared herself every single day to find the hard-living Rolling Stones guitarist lying dead somewhere in his home.

"Each morning before I leave for work, I look in the mirror, take a deep breath, and think to myself, 'Rosemary, you could very well find Keith Richards' dead body today," Velasquez told reporters Thursday, adding that from the moment she was first hired by a "nearly comatose" Richards, she began steeling herself for the inevitable discovery of the guitarist's wiry corpse in his bedroom or kitchen. "It's never been a question of if I would find him dead, but where and how soon."

Velasquez said her workday begins as she pulls into Richards' driveway and braces herself for the potential sight of his stark-naked cadaver sprawled out on his front lawn. From there, after gathering her supplies, she takes a quick peek into the backyard, where she fears she will find Richards floating lifelessly face down in his swimming pool.

The housekeeper said that as she goes about her work, she takes a moment to collect herself before opening every door and pulling back each shower curtain. If a door is locked, she noted, she leaves it be and prays it's not locked the next day.

According to Velasquez, anytime she smells an odor other than alcohol or stale cigarette smoke, she immediately imagines a scenario in which the odor gets stronger and stronger, leading her to a closet with a week-old dead body inside.

"In the late '70s, especially, there were a few close calls where I would find little droplets of Mr. Richards' blood leading to his bedroom, and I would tell myself, 'Today is the day,'" Velasquez said. "He'd usually be lying there with a needle sticking out of his arm, but somehow he would always still be breathing. So I would call an ambulance."

"I've had to call 911 at least 30 times since I started working here," she added. "I have to admit, over the years there's been a lot more gunplay around this place than I'd care for."

Besides resigning herself to one day discovering Richards' corpse, the housekeeper of 36 years said she has also remained alert to the possibility of stumbling across the dead bodies of his bandmates and friends. She confirmed there have been several mornings on which she's found a heap of naked bodies in the living room, all belonging to people who were unconscious but not dead.

In addition, during the mid-'80s Velasquez reportedly had to check for Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts' heartbeat so many times she memorized every place on the human body where it is possible to check for a pulse.

"It's a lot of anxiety to go through on a daily basis," she said, mentioning times when she was certain shouting matches between Richards and former girlfriend Anita Pallenberg would lead to the housekeeper finding either Richards, Pallenberg, or both murdered or dead as a result of some bizarre suicide pact. "When I leave each evening, I worry that Mr. Richards will forget he turned the oven on, or that he'll drink too much, or that he'll have a relapse, or that his heart will just stop."

Added Velasquez, "There are just so many ways for this man to die."

Even though Richards is no longer the heavy drug user he once was, Velasquez said the likelihood of finding him dead today is probably about the same as it was in the 1970s.

"Mr. Richards is old enough now he could die from natural causes, which is a possibility I never would have imagined 30 years ago," the housekeeper said. "Personally, I kind of wish he would just die already, because his lifestyle has certainly taken its toll on my health."

At the end of her interview, Velasquez paused a while to gather herself, saying, "Well, it's time for me to go to work."

[skiballs]

Fucker is breaking all the rules. Life fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse.

[sb]

But if you try sometimes

[old goat]

Read the article. It never reached his lymph nodes. He got it cut out and it appears to have eliminated it. All the sex, drugs, and rock and roll has made their bodies toxic to everything, including cancer.

Depending on the size of the tumor and whether or not it grew into anything the 5 year survival could be anywhere from 15% to 50%. Chemotherapy and radiation might be recommended for higher stages, but not a lot of benefit. Not enough information in the article to know what his chances are or whether chemo or radiation was recommended to him. The fact that the operation took 5 hours suggests the tumor might have been fairly advanced even if it hadn't spread to the nodes. That's a long time for a straightforward lung cancer operation--unless the time was measured from the time he was brought to the operating room until he was returned to recovery. The anesthesiologists can dick around for a long time before the surgeon can cut. So basically--he could be dead in a year or he could be playing stadiums into his 90's, if there's anyone left to listen.

[plugboots]

You'll get what you need.





I kinda like how the Ronnie's twitter feed says the doctor made a "shocking" discovery. Yeah like he's still alive.

[Meadow Skipper]

Keith's housekeeper seems like a piece of work.
fkna if you can't take the shit get off the toilet
i bet she's milked the fuck out of the guy plus some

I thought that it was hilarious. But a lot of people believe that we need to be thinking about what kind of world we're going to leave for Keef.

[Benny Profane]

Yeah, him and the cockroaches.

[iceman]

The housekeeper piece was from The Onion if anyone was wondering.

[stuckathuntermtn]

I don't know. Maybe for now, but lung cancer is a quick death sentence. We'll see in a year.

Not true. I actually new someone who had some of her lung removed at an old age, and did just fine. Depending on what the sample shows, they often don't do chemo. She also wasn't a smoker, so that was weird.
But yeah, don't be such an ignorant asshole.

[Garth Bimble]

Not a doc but I review a lot of records from a highly respected medical facility in the midwest. Maybe he's being sincere about not wanting to lose his hair or maybe the situation has progressed to the point that any chemo/radiation would be palliative, or in other words not a cure but something to slow the disease process and maybe give him a bit more time. It's unusual for someone with a potentially terminal illness to turn down a possible cure based on something like the possibility of losing their hair, but who knows?

[sb]

Maybe he plans to donate his hair to the RRHOF.

[Benny Profane]

Not true. I actually new someone who had some of her lung removed at an old age, and did just fine. Depending on what the sample shows, they often don't do chemo. She also wasn't a smoker, so that was weird.
But yeah, don't be such an ignorant asshole.

I've pretty much known this for years, but, brushed up when I got a call a few years ago that started "Greg", (my best friend in college and long time confidant over the phone) "has lung cancer."
I smoked for seventeen years, seriously, and it was one of many very good reasons to quit. I stopped in 1986.
So, fuck you, asshole. I consider myself far from fucking ignorant.

Here, direct from the American Cancer Society:

"The lung cancer five-year survival rate (17.7 percent) is lower than many other leading cancer sites, such as the colon (64.4 percent), breast (89.7 percent) and prostate (98.9 percent).3
The five-year survival rate for lung cancer is 55 percent for cases detected when the disease is still localized (within the lungs). However, only 16 percent of lung cancer cases are diagnosed at an early stage. For distant tumors (spread to other organs) the five-year survival rate is only 4 percent.3
More than half of people with lung cancer die within one year of being diagnosed."

Maybe the doctors mined a Porsche like payment out of your older acquaintance by convincing her to go under the knife when, maybe, she really didn't need it (oh, yeah, trust me, happens every day. Porsches are expensive.), but, usually, and you can put your money on black on that wheel, lung cancer is God's way of telling you to find a nice hospice. Which, after watching three people die of cancer in my life, should be on everyone's radar in late life. She didn't smoke? Sheeeit, she was maybe surrounded by smokers all her life, breathing that shit, along with car and industrial exhaust, of course. Thank the Chinese for taking our air pollution along with our factory jobs, or, this would be a much worse problem. And, thank the many politicians who refused Big Tabacco bribes to make laws that make it almost impossible to smoke comfortably these days. The fucking opioid epidemic of the early twentieth century, and, maybe worse, because nothing is as addictive as nicotine.

End rant. Ignorant, my fucking ass, motherfucker.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Yeah no. This woman was in her 70s and never smoked and with Medicare and Medicaid, I doubt they "bilked" a new Porsche out of her. Maybe the government? And she lived into her 80s.

[Benny Profane]

What. Do you live under the assumption that Medicare is free? Now, who's being ignorant here?

[Garth Bimble]

Yeah no. This woman was in her 70s and never smoked and with Medicare and Medicaid, I doubt they "bilked" a new Porsche out of her. Maybe the government? And she lived into her 80s.

Are you sure she had cancer? There are number of conditions where resection/excision of the lung would be considered appropriate.

[Meadow Skipper]

...Ignorant, my fucking ass, motherfucker.

Yeah, fwiw I would have said know-it-all ranting old fuck.

[old goat]

I've pretty much known this for years, but, brushed up when I got a call a few years ago that started "Greg", (my best friend in college and long time confidant over the phone) "has lung cancer."
I smoked for seventeen years, seriously, and it was one of many very good reasons to quit. I stopped in 1986.
So, fuck you, asshole. I consider myself far from fucking ignorant.

Here, direct from the American Cancer Society:

"The lung cancer five-year survival rate (17.7 percent) is lower than many other leading cancer sites, such as the colon (64.4 percent), breast (89.7 percent) and prostate (98.9 percent).3
The five-year survival rate for lung cancer is 55 percent for cases detected when the disease is still localized (within the lungs). However, only 16 percent of lung cancer cases are diagnosed at an early stage. For distant tumors (spread to other organs) the five-year survival rate is only 4 percent.3
More than half of people with lung cancer die within one year of being diagnosed."

Maybe the doctors mined a Porsche like payment out of your older acquaintance by convincing her to go under the knife when, maybe, she really didn't need it (oh, yeah, trust me, happens every day. Porsches are expensive.), but, usually, and you can put your money on black on that wheel, lung cancer is God's way of telling you to find a nice hospice. Which, after watching three people die of cancer in my life, should be on everyone's radar in late life. She didn't smoke? Sheeeit, she was maybe surrounded by smokers all her life, breathing that shit, along with car and industrial exhaust, of course. Thank the Chinese for taking our air pollution along with our factory jobs, or, this would be a much worse problem. And, thank the many politicians who refused Big Tabacco bribes to make laws that make it almost impossible to smoke comfortably these days. The fucking opioid epidemic of the early twentieth century, and, maybe worse, because nothing is as addictive as nicotine.

End rant. Ignorant, my fucking ass, motherfucker.

I've seen a lot of unnecessary surgery in my career. I've never seen an unnecessary lung cancer operation. (I have seen, and done, plenty of operations that didn't do any good--and quite likely hastened the patients death; unfortunately there's no way to know that ahead of time. We do all we can to find out before lung surgery if the patient has cancer too far advanced for surgery to help--CT scans, MRI's, PET scans, mediastinoscopy--all to find possible spread. We do often operate on people with what's called a solitary pulmonary nodule without a diagnosis of cancer ahead of time if the nodule is suspicious based on patients age, smoking history, and the appearance of the nodule on xray. We do this because biopsies (done with a needle) can miss 15% of cancers. Some of those people will turn out to have benign lesions that need to be removed I've had plenty of long term survivors from lung cancer surgery--and way too many who were to sent to me only to be told the cancer was too advanced for surgery. The staging of lung cancer and the treatment based on the staging is very complex--
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/non-sm...g/staging.html
The treatment is different for every stage.
As far as the cause of lung cancer--the great majority of squamous and large cell cancers are in smokers; adenocarcinomas are frequently seen in non-smokers. It would be reasonable to assume some other environmental cause; what that cause is nobody knows.

[TBS]

Yeah, fwiw I would have said know-it-all ranting old fuck.

That made me shoot beer out my nose.

[Benny Profane]

Yeah, well, betcha most of you kids thought that housekeeper story was real.