Do Mormons really affect you?

[el hefe]

I had one just after high school who affected me big time for a couple of years. Man she was a freak..... everything was great until she thought she was preggo.....

[wordbird]

I know that old timer. He's probably out doing geezer laps on Blackfoot right this moment. He barely did any jail at all because those crooked deputies I mentioned stole evidence from his case. They made a duplicate key for the evidence lockers and would help themselves to drugs and seized cash. Internal Affairs came up from Boise and caught them red handed. They changed the lock on the cash, guns and drugs locker and then caught one of the panicked deputies trying to put a few thousand bucks in stolen cash back into the locker. One result of this was that the chain of custody had been broken for the evidence in a lot of cases. Trafficking cases, burglary cases plus dozens of drug possession cases would all need to be retried without using the "contaminated" evidence. The state didn't want to do the retrials so they quietly removed the deputies and none of them did a day in jail. One of them did do six months for an unrelated insurance fraud thing he had going on the side. But, basically, the state let off four shitbag deputies and let a bunch of bogus frame jobs stand. Yay, police!

There were two deputies that were just straight up felons; they'd actually been drug dealers when they were in high school. I could go on for pages about those two, suffice to say, they committed many crimes while in uniform. Another deputy was crooked in an abusive sort of way. He liked to frame people by planting evidence in their car. He's the one that made the national news for summarily executing a kid's dog and giving that old man a heart attack up in Tetonia. There was a fourth one who was just plain crazy. He'd pull over teen girls in out of the way places and harass them. Nutso got fired and sent to a mental institution for flipping out and pulling his service revolver on his fellow officers during an off-duty poker game (at a party at which the deputies were serving minors alcohol). They were "overseen" by an incompetent with no experience who was placed in office by the Momos mostly as a big "fuck you" to the rest of us. I shit you not, that Sheriff's resume highlights included being fired from the dump for stealing scrap and getting kicked in the head by a horse. It was such an unbelievable goat fuck that the state just decided to sweep the whole thing under the rug after the Sheriff lost his reelection bid. They let Lifford clean house and washed their hands of it. Some guys, like your buddy's uncle, had good lawyers and used the fiasco to their advantage. Others still have a record for a crime they did not commit.

So, how does this relate to Momos affecting the rest of us? Well, this all occurred while the Momos were fully in power. The incompetent Sheriff was put there by them as a replacement for a competent Sheriff who quit when the Momos wouldn't increase his budget for training. Despite repeated complaints, when Kicked-in-the-head's replacement term was up, the Momos voted as a block to officially elect him over two qualified candidates. They repeatedly ignored complaints about abuse and frame jobs. They liked it that these cops would stake out bars and parties and fuck with people on their way home. They didn't give a shit about an incompetent Sheriff and rogue deputies until their precious womanhood was threatened. In addition to Deputy Nutso harassing teen girls in dark parking lots, one of the felon deputies was openly banging an underage girl who worked the cash register at the Burger King. It was common knowledge in the high school and kids told their parents. Parents complained to the Sheriff and when he didn't do squat, they got Boise to come up and investigate. That's what actually got Internal Affairs and the assistant AG up to Driggs in the first place. Not corruption, not abuse. Nope, the Momos were fine with that. How do I know all this? In addition to personally knowing people who got caught up in the mess, I read over 500 pages of transcripts of interviews conducted by IA and the assistant AG. When the Momos put Kicked-in-the-head up for a third term, Boise was so appalled at their indifference that someone down there leaked the records of the investigation to Lifford's campaign.

As to the creepy bar, I assume you are referring to the Rough Riders Saloon in Drummond, which is no longer a town so much as a roadside cluster of old houses and a grain elevator. Yes, it's still open. I've been told it's no longer creepy, feels like drinking in a bar and not like drinking in some old dude's living room. I wouldn't know. I drink my beer in the truck when I drive back from the Henry's.

Sounds like inspiration for Supertroopers

[lifelinksplit]

Haha, yeah I was referring to Drummond. Used to stop in before it had the remodel when it was pretty much the owners living room with their dobermans (? Maybe rottweilers). I remember his uncle was looking at some pretty serious time. Good to hear he got off. Shit I need to take a trip down that way, been way too long.

Oh and Mormons don't really affect me too much except when I invite missionaries inside to preach as I rip 4ft bongs...

[neckdeep]

Haha, yeah I was referring to Drummond. Used to stop in before it had the remodel when it was pretty much the owners living room with their dobermans (? Maybe rottweilers). I remember his uncle was looking at some pretty serious time. Good to hear he got off. Shit I need to take a trip down that way, been way too long.

Oh and Mormons don't really affect me too much except when I invite missionaries inside to preach as I rip 4ft bongs...

If I'm in the mood, I'll stand on the porch and debate theology with them and the Jehovah's Witnesses too. I never debate the existence of God. I just try to get them to explain why their version of the Biblical cannon is the correct one. They never can. Most don't even have a rudimentary understanding of where the Old Testament came from.

[thebirdhunter]

Fucking Mormons just lowered the blood alcohol limit in Utah to .05.

Does anyone know how many 6% beers that is?

[Sirshredalot]

Fucking Mormons just lowered the blood alcohol limit in Utah to .05.

Does anyone know how many 6% beers that is?

Maybe 1.5 if you're a little dude on an empty stomach.

[irul&ublo]

Do Mormons really affect you?

Marie Osmond gives digitaldeath a woody

[summit]

[ill-advised strategy]

Oh and Mormons don't really affect me too much except when I invite missionaries inside to preach as I rip 4ft bongs...

When I first moved to Sandy, one of the strangest things was when missionaries showed up. I remember thinking "there's missionaries in Utah?...who doesn't know about the church in Sandy fucking Utah"...
Anyway, since they offered to fill me in on the church, and I was going to be living in Utah, it seemed like a reasonable opportunity. So I made a compromise with elder Novak from North Carolina and elder Marmberg from Alberta: I clearly stated I was not interested in joining, but I was interested in learning about the religion because I was new in Utah and thought it might help with understanding the place, and instead of reading the book of mormon, I read Under the Banner of Heaven; then, each week for about 2 months, Marmberg and Novak would come over and I'd ask questions.
Eventually it reached a stage where they were making a lot of effort to have me join the church or attend church functions, and I had learned plenty, so I thanked them for the lesson and that was that.

It was worth doing. The whole lds/Utah experience was a mixed deal. I strongly disagree with the whole concept of a church state, and with the overwrought fake patriotism that covers up strong elements harboring a deep desire to secede and expatriate the gentiles. I found the militarism over marijuana and alcohol both a nuisance and a blessing insomuch as it probably does as much as anything to keep some level of control over the population influx.
Yet, with all the bitter politics at an abstract level, I met so many great lds individuals: skiers, neighbors, coworkers. Militarism about it aside, I liked the fact that gross drunkenness isn't culturally acceptable (and having moved back to the upper midwest I now find it kind of gross that everyone's social life here revolves around drinking, and often drinking and driving).
I liked the fact that the lds church does good community work, and that they form a robust social safety net for their members. I appreciated living around people who were prepared to help in an emergency. I really, really appreciated the orderly and organized nature of the public infrastructure around Salt Lake. The roads make sense, the signage makes sense, the utilties all work well, my credit union was outstanding...I attribute a lot of that to the positive community-oriented influence of the church. There are strong social elements in that church state that seem to really help when they want to get something done, like a freeway or a rail system....compared to the clusterfuck of living in MIchigan it's impressive.

To quell the inevitable bouts of bitterness over frustrating sociopolitical stuff (like when a kid went missing in my neighborhood and the mormons decided they would just show up and bully me into searching my house; or when the cops I played hockey with would brag about busting people bringing alcohol from Wyoming as if they were saving lives, or when they penned everyone in at the Clark planetarium and had us walk through a gauntlet of police and drug dogs...on and on)...anyway, to quell the inevitable bitterness from that stuff, I put this up in my bathroom where I'd see it and read some of it every day:

....to remind me of all the good the church does by way of its good people.

It's such a complicated deal. Literally two of my most favorite coworkers in Utah were serious mormons, they were great to work with, but we worked in wildland fire....people get stressed to the max and tired and raw, and in those revealing moments, both of them let it fly that they don't think non-mormons should even be in Utah. So as nice as they both were, when the layers peeled away, they both harbored a deep-seated feeling that Utah was really Deseret and that gentile skiers from out of town should not be allowed to live there unless they wanted to convert and participate in the church. That's the essence of my relationship to the church while I lived in Utah...I loved the people as individuals because they were so nice to me, and I loved the ways that the church had manifested niceness in the community, but I also had good reason to suspect they did not love me or my kind and I was constantly encountering political stuff that felt profoundly unwelcoming.

[SeatownSlackey]

Thanks for the honest insight& perspective Yeti

[phatty]

Thanks, Yeti. As a Non-Utah Mormon, I agree with you on almost of what you say. It's complicated.

[whyturn]

I do like the community support like when snowblower was out and neighbors helped mrs whyturn shovel snow. Also the safety emergency kit for neighborhood. So far so good and the backyard is sweet

[WTF is dat]

To answer OP question: if I lived in Utah, yes the LDS community would seriously affect me.

Having the clubs and bars close at 1 AM would seriously piss me off since most normal people in the rest of the country know you don't even want to be in line for the club until 11. 1 AM last call is lame as fuck.

Not being able to buy a full strength beer at normal places like a bowling alley or movie theatre or many restaurants would also piss me off.


Having to be near a state liquor store or a certified store would also probably piss me off. Fuck that bullshit, just have some normal liquor stores for fuck sake.

Not being able to buy weed at the store is also a huge bummer!!


Living in a city as big as SLC that is significantly less culturally vibrant and thriving as Denver would also piss me off. Do you realize the setbacks the LDS church has put in place towards your city ? Denver is culturally lightyears ahead.... I do not mean that as an insult, but as a fact. Have any of you SLC fanboys walked through Cherry Creek or LoHi in Denver lately? It's like those neighborhoods are more cosmopolitan than your entire city is. It's almost laughable. Makes sugar house look like highlands ranch suburbia.


Yeah, the skiing in SLC is probably better than Denver, but as a mid 20's professional who is culturally open minded, I would have to be a fucking idiot to even consider SLC as a home base.



Also we can buy weed at the store.




Fuck your morman dump city and fuck the politics surrounding your state!! Have fun giving away all your lands, idiots!!

[detrusor]

Do people in Denver ski for a couple hours after work?

I agree it's a cool city. Just not in the mountains.

[WTF is dat]

Do people in Denver ski for a couple hours after work?

I agree it's a cool city. Just not in the mountains.

If it's a weekday I can make the hour drive to Abasin and be at the home office after 3 hours of solid skiing before 1, no problem

[skifishbum]

To answer OP question: if I lived in Utah, yes the LDS community would seriously affect me.

Having the clubs and bars close at 1 AM would seriously piss me off since most normal people in the rest of the country know you don't even want to be in line for the club until 11. 1 AM last call is lame as fuck.

Not being able to buy a full strength beer at normal places like a bowling alley or movie theatre or many restaurants would also piss me off.


Having to be near a state liquor store or a certified store would also probably piss me off. Fuck that bullshit, just have some normal liquor stores for fuck sake.

Not being able to buy weed at the store is also a huge bummer!!


Living in a city as big as SLC that is significantly less culturally vibrant and thriving as Denver would also piss me off. Do you realize the setbacks the LDS church has put in place towards your city ? Denver is culturally lightyears ahead.... I do not mean that as an insult, but as a fact. Have any of you SLC fanboys walked through Cherry Creek or LoHi in Denver lately? It's like those neighborhoods are more cosmopolitan than your entire city is. It's almost laughable. Makes sugar house look like highlands ranch suburbia.


Yeah, the skiing in SLC is probably better than Denver, but as a mid 20's professional who is culturally open minded, I would have to be a fucking idiot to even consider SLC as a home base.



Also we can buy weed at the store.




Fuck your morman dump city and fuck the politics surrounding your state!! Have fun giving away all your lands, idiots!!

id like to invite you to the utarded bbI18 because your obviously highly cultural yuppie brolorado fanboi ass would not use the word probably if you skied both
i get it though your so weeded out on the overpriced legal pots that you think 350 is probably close to 550 and youd rather wander around nieghborhoods doing cultural comparisions than ski.
best thing about my mo bros
they keep pissed off narrow minded standing in a clubline or a bowling alley thinkin its culture dumb fucks from residing here and wasting our time and space.

[bigdude2468]

Dibbs you are priceless, touche!

[muted]

Mormon culture is a huge influence here, it goes quite a bit beyond some beer and weed issues.

[Boissal]

Yeah, the skiing in SLC is probably better than Denver, but as a mid 20's professional who is culturally open minded, I would have to be a fucking idiot to even consider SLC as a home base.

As a mid 20's professional who is culturally open minded you should probably move to Euroland if you really want to put your money where your giant mouth is. Denver? Culture? Please.

[WTF is dat]

As a mid 20's professional who is culturally open minded you should probably move to Euroland if you really want to put your money where your giant mouth is. Denver? Culture? Please.

Still lightyears ahead of SLC in terms of how cosmopolitan a city denver is

[RootSkier]

Also we can buy weed at the store.

Let me introduce you to a fellow by the name of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, and what he thinks about your legal weed:

“I realize this may be an unfashionable belief in a time of growing tolerance of drug use. But too many lives are at stake to worry about being fashionable. I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana—so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful,” Sessions said. “Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs will destroy your life.”

[Dantheman]

Cherry Creek or LoHi

Looks like a great scene, cosmo as fuck.

[hatchgreenchile]

Who the hell hangs out in Cherry Creek? You can walk around a mall and sip $12 martinis at Elways? Cosmo!
LoHi is fun, but certainly high on the lumbersexual factor. The whole Denver v. SLC thing is bullshit. Both are great western cities.

On the topic at hand, Mormons are fine

[Sirshredalot]

Do people in Denver ski for a couple hours after work?

I agree it's a cool city. Just not in the mountains.

Ski it out to my yard and buy me a beer, dude.

[raisingarizona13]

Assholes with power like Beauregard scare me. Any one that actually believes in a story like the Book of Mormon or the Christian bible shouldn't have such positions imo. I think religion does a lot of good for a lot of people, it must since just about every culture has created some version of sorts but I will probably never except people taking it WAY too seriously and then pushing it on others. That shit is annoying AF.

That being said I agree with a lot Yeti said. The commitment to family and community is pretty awesome. They look out for each other no matter what. And there sure are a lot of very beautiful mormon woman.