Do Mormons really affect you?

[Dantheman]

stupid ideas like the Zion curtain make any sense

They've been debating getting rid of this in the legislature recently. On the radio the other day they were playing audio of a woman testifying in opposition to removal at the capitol. I didn't hear if she was a legislator or a citizen, but her comments were gold:

"When children see alcohol at restaurants, it gives them the impression that drinking is fun and a normal part of the dining experience"

Uh, yeah, both true lady. I'm cool with the Mormons though. The mountain rec here is already overcrowded, if the demographics here were more akin to the CO front range it would be ruined.

[bigdude2468]

They've been debating getting rid of this in the legislature recently. On the radio the other day they were playing audio of a woman testifying in opposition to removal at the capitol. I didn't hear if she was a legislator or a citizen, but her comments were gold:

"When children see alcohol at restaurants, it gives them the impression that drinking is fun and a normal part of the dining experience"

Uh, yeah, both true lady. I'm cool with the Mormons though. The mountain rec here is already overcrowded, if the demographics here were more akin to the CO front range it would be ruined.

Look, I drink like the rest of you Maggot's. I shop at grocery stores and also State stores for wine and high alcohol beer. I kind of like UT's 4% beer, I can ski, have two beers on the deck at the GMD or P Dog and drive down the canyon safely. But lets be honest about it, alcohol is pretty bad shit. Doubt if many of us have escaped the detrimental effects of alcohol in our lives. My best friend / best man at our wedding killed himself in a drunk driving accident. Friends that all but ruined their lives as alcoholics. Marriages screwed up by alcohol. I don't agree with it but I understand why the Zion curtain was put in place. I think it is stupid but being from WI where drinking is a competitive sport I don't see the point of kids hanging out with mom & dad at the bar either. In fact in WI I can buy my underage son a drink. Now that's fucking stupid.

[Sirshredalot]

Look, I drink like the rest of you Maggot's. I shop at grocery stores and also State stores for wine and high alcohol beer. I kind of like UT's 4% beer, I can ski, have two beers on the deck at the GMD or P Dog and drive down the canyon safely. But lets be honest about it, alcohol is pretty bad shit. Doubt if many of us have escaped the detrimental effects of alcohol in our lives. My best friend / best man at our wedding killed himself in a drunk driving accident. Friends that all but ruined their lives as alcoholics. Marriages screwed up by alcohol. I don't agree with it but I understand why the Zion curtain was put in place. I think it is stupid but being from WI where drinking is a competitive sport I don't see the point of kids hanging out with mom & dad at the bar either. In fact in WI I can buy my underage son a drink. Now that's fucking stupid.

Can you take your word salads and knee jerk rusty trombone of dumb shit Republican politicians and move to Alabama with the rest of the brainwashed rubes? Thanks.

[SeatownSlackey]

In fact in WI I can buy my underage son a drink. Now that's fucking stupid.

I know. Why the fuck would you actually want to manage and shape your children's attitude towards alcohol yourself? Best if that stuff kept under wraps until they're off to college and they can learn how binge with the best of em.

[muted]

Look, I drink like the rest of you Maggot's. I shop at grocery stores and also State stores for wine and high alcohol beer. I kind of like UT's 4% beer, I can ski, have two beers on the deck at the GMD or P Dog and drive down the canyon safely. But lets be honest about it, alcohol is pretty bad shit. Doubt if many of us have escaped the detrimental effects of alcohol in our lives. My best friend / best man at our wedding killed himself in a drunk driving accident. Friends that all but ruined their lives as alcoholics. Marriages screwed up by alcohol. I don't agree with it but I understand why the Zion curtain was put in place. I think it is stupid but being from WI where drinking is a competitive sport I don't see the point of kids hanging out with mom & dad at the bar either. In fact in WI I can buy my underage son a drink. Now that's fucking stupid.

You are a disgrace to Wisconsinites everywhere!

And the Zion Curtian got voted out last week. Higher prices on alcohol got voted in, but I can't find info on how much.

[Tye 1on]

Interesting info on Teton Valley that's new to me, having moved over from JH in 2011.

A coworker grew up in Tetonia way back when, used to take the train to Driggs for a haircut. He was interesting to talk to about the LDS heritage there, including when the old Bates ward had two factions, one behind each wife of a local. Sat on opposite sides of the church, etc. Back in 2007 or so I got paired up with the patriarch of that potato family in the club championship at the Links. For 36 holes. Nice enough guy, on the course anyways...

[bigdude2468]

You are a disgrace to Wisconsinites everywhere!

And the Zion Curtian got voted out last week. Higher prices on alcohol got voted in, but I can't find info on how much.

I think I saw 2%.

[thebirdhunter]

You are a disgrace to Wisconsinites everywhere!

And the Zion Curtian got voted out last week. Higher prices on alcohol got voted in, but I can't find info on how much.

Yea the compromise to take down the Zion Curtain is more ridiculous than the Zion Curtain itself. If that's possible. Like now we have the new Zion Moat and higher liquor prices to pay for all the additional training the bartenders are going to need. But hey, it's for the children.

[muted]

I think I saw 2%.

Thank you baby jesus.

[smallies]

The Right Stuff breath challenge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxDHIZ0foo

[smallies]

No

[BobMc]

Don't forget the .05 bac portion of it, Bigdude may be able to safely drive down after two beers but he's gonna get arrested for it.

[wordbird]

The mission requirement is more about exerting control over their young men than it is about actual proselytizing. It's not a requirement of faith so much as it's the unwelcome alternative to marrying young and making babies. Independent sexuality is discouraged. For example, at the Mormon universities, when a young man and woman become a couple, the university has a department that monitors the relationship. The young couple is assigned a minder/counselor couple of older married students or graduate students. Lots of pressure is directed at getting the couple to get married ( and rewards too. better student housing and no premarital sex police breathing down your neck). In a nutshell, the Mos don't like having horny young single men around so they give them a choice: get married or go pound on hostile doors for two years. All you have to do to get out of the mission is settle down, make babies and confirm that you are a dutiful member of the patriarchy.

This speaks to thing about Mormonism that rubs the rest of us the wrong way. To wit, it's their incessant need to control their young people. They don't trust them around booze. They don't trust them with each other. And they sure as hell don't like having non-Mormons around filling their teen's heads with ideas of independence. The mission isn't really about making new converts, it's all about ensuring the next generation remains bound to the Church.

Can't really blame 'em Mormon girls are hot.

[neckdeep]

Interesting info on Teton Valley that's new to me, having moved over from JH in 2011.

A coworker grew up in Tetonia way back when, used to take the train to Driggs for a haircut. He was interesting to talk to about the LDS heritage there, including when the old Bates ward had two factions, one behind each wife of a local. Sat on opposite sides of the church, etc. Back in 2007 or so I got paired up with the patriarch of that potato family in the club championship at the Links. For 36 holes. Nice enough guy, on the course anyways...

Have you heard any stories about Druggs, ID? Back in the mid 1980's the Teton Valley was headquarters to the largest multi-state cocaine distribution network in the region. Despite being in the middle of nowhere, Targhee and the Village were awash with blow for years. These guys were ambitious and made millions. The eventual federal trafficking bust made the national evening news. You know, back when having Peter Jennings or Dan Rather announcing your bust was a really big thing. I've seen the clip, with the reporter doing a local shot right in front of the buffalo on the roof of the old Mike's Eats at the stoplight and describing how the war on drugs had come to the smallest of small town America. The story got a lot of mileage due to the size of the operation relative to how tiny Driggs was 35 years ago.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Can't really blame 'em Mormon girls are hot.

With their big, ol' picket-fence chicklets and blank expression? They are blonde tho...

[zion zig zag]

I think I saw 2%.

Not that I support higher liquor prices but at least we are pretty cheap here. I looked for the same bottle of scotch in Utah, Montana, Idaho, BC, South Carolina and North Carolina within the past few weeks and Utah was the cheapest. The only place where I see consistently lower prices are online (which we can't do here) and that super store near Mesquite NV.

[Dantheman]

^^^Yeah, beer prices at the DABC stores are absurd but wine and liquor are puzzlingly reasonable. Closet-drinking Mormons must prefer the harder stuff. Works for me.

[bigdude2468]

Don't forget the .05 bac portion of it, Bigdude may be able to safely drive down after two beers but he's gonna get arrested for it.

Actually two 12 oz servings of 4% alcohol beer in 60 minutes for someone weighing 170 lbs never gets your BAC over .04.

http://celtickane.com/projects/blood...ac-calculator/

[stuckathuntermtn]

Wait, is phatty the guy who said he ran an LDS Boyscouts troop and said that gay people can't be morally straight?
If I'm wrong, sorry.
And fuck puritans.
Great bump!

[californiagrown]

Actually two 12 oz servings of 4% alcohol beer in 60 minutes for someone weighing 170 lbs never gets your BAC over .04.

http://celtickane.com/projects/blood...ac-calculator/

Protip: Binge drinking is defined as 5 or more drinks in an hour according to alma mater's mandatory frat safety classes. You gain approximately 0.02BAC for every drink, and process out 1 drink per hour. Therefore, you can binge drink and be legal to drive. Math!

[ill-advised strategy]

It never gets old.

absolutely timeless solid gold

[lifelinksplit]

Have you heard any stories about Druggs, ID? Back in the mid 1980's the Teton Valley was headquarters to the largest multi-state cocaine distribution network in the region. Despite being in the middle of nowhere, Targhee and the Village were awash with blow for years. These guys were ambitious and made millions. The eventual federal trafficking bust made the national evening news. You know, back when having Peter Jennings or Dan Rather announcing your bust was a really big thing. I've seen the clip, with the reporter doing a local shot right in front of the buffalo on the roof of the old Mike's Eats at the stoplight and describing how the war on drugs had come to the smallest of small town America. The story got a lot of mileage due to the size of the operation relative to how tiny Driggs was 35 years ago.

Have a buddy from Riverton whose uncle, I believe, was bringing huge amounts of hash from cali back to driggs. Who knows what else was coming back as well. Think he's still doing time after getting busted. Unrelated but is that creepy ass bar in the potato fields that got renovated on you way to Driggs from bozeman still there? Also used to hit figure 8 races with a long time local and it was pretty evident if you knew the right people you could do as you please (like pissing on a cop car then jumping in your jacked up truck and spraying said cop car as you peel out of the track)

[neckdeep]

Have a buddy from Riverton whose uncle, I believe, was bringing huge amounts of hash from cali back to driggs. Who knows what else was coming back as well. Think he's still doing time after getting busted. Unrelated but is that creepy ass bar in the potato fields that got renovated on you way to Driggs from bozeman still there? )

I know that old timer. He's probably out doing geezer laps on Blackfoot right this moment. He barely did any jail at all because those crooked deputies I mentioned stole evidence from his case. They made a duplicate key for the evidence lockers and would help themselves to drugs and seized cash. Internal Affairs came up from Boise and caught them red handed. They changed the lock on the cash, guns and drugs locker and then caught one of the panicked deputies trying to put a few thousand bucks in stolen cash back into the locker. One result of this was that the chain of custody had been broken for the evidence in a lot of cases. Trafficking cases, burglary cases plus dozens of drug possession cases would all need to be retried without using the "contaminated" evidence. The state didn't want to do the retrials so they quietly removed the deputies and none of them did a day in jail. One of them did do six months for an unrelated insurance fraud thing he had going on the side. But, basically, the state let off four shitbag deputies and let a bunch of bogus frame jobs stand. Yay, police!

There were two deputies, brothers, that were just straight up felons; they'd actually been drug dealers when they were in high school. I could go on for pages about those two, suffice to say, the Felon Brothers committed many crimes while in uniform. Another deputy was crooked in an abusive sort of way. He liked to frame people by planting evidence in their car. He's the one that made the national news for summarily executing a kid's dog and giving that old man a heart attack up in Tetonia. There was a fourth one who was just plain crazy. He'd pull over teen girls in out of the way places and harass them. Nutso got fired and sent to a mental institution for flipping out and pulling his service revolver on his fellow officers during an off-duty poker game (at a party at which the deputies were serving minors alcohol). They were "overseen" by an incompetent with no experience who was placed in office by the Momos mostly as a big "fuck you" to the rest of us. I shit you not, that Sheriff's resume highlights included being fired from the dump for stealing scrap and getting kicked in the head by a horse. It was such an unbelievable goat fuck that the state just decided to sweep the whole thing under the rug after the Sheriff lost his reelection bid. They let Lifford clean house and washed their hands of it. Some guys, like your buddy's uncle, had good lawyers and used the fiasco to their advantage. Others still have a record for a crime they did not commit.

So, how does this relate to Momos affecting the rest of us? Well, this all occurred while the Momos were fully in power. The incompetent Sheriff was put there by them as a replacement for a competent Sheriff who quit when the Momos wouldn't increase his budget for training. Despite repeated complaints, when Kicked-in-the-head's replacement term was up, the Momos voted as a block to officially elect him over two more qualified candidates. They repeatedly ignored complaints about abuse and frame jobs. They liked it that these cops would stake out bars and parties and fuck with people on their way home. They didn't give a shit about an incompetent Sheriff and rogue deputies until their precious womanhood was threatened. In addition to Deputy Nutso harassing teen girls in dark parking lots, one of the Felon Brothers was openly banging an underage girl who worked the cash register at the Burger King. It was common knowledge in the high school and kids told their parents. Parents complained to the Sheriff and when he didn't do squat, they got Boise to come up and investigate. That's what actually got Internal Affairs and the assistant AG up to Driggs in the first place. Not corruption, not abuse. Nope, the Momos were fine with that. How do I know all this? In addition to personally knowing people who got caught up in the mess, I read over 500 pages of transcripts of interviews conducted by IA and the assistant AG. When the Momos put Kicked-in-the-head up for a third term, Boise was so appalled at their indifference that someone down there leaked the records of the investigation to Lifford's campaign. I knew a writer for the paper who had copies. I could write pages of shit you'd hardly believe. Some of it, like the dog executing deputy, made the national internet news. That's like a five page story just by itself. Look it up. The motherfucker shot the (1) wrong dog (2) based solely on a complaint by the town crazy lady (3) summarily, without any process (4) in front of the family (5) shot it repeatedly without a clean kill and (6) gave grandpa a heart attack on the spot. There were multitudes of furious dog lovers writing and emailing the town just to say, "Fuck you, Fuck Driggs, I'll never spend a cent in your shitty county."

As to the creepy bar, I assume you are referring to the Rough Riders Saloon in Drummond, which is no longer a town so much as a roadside cluster of old houses and a grain elevator. Yes, it's still open. I've been told it's no longer creepy, feels like drinking in a bar and not like drinking in some old dude's living room. I wouldn't know. I drink my beer in the truck when I drive back from the Henry's.

[Dantheman]

It never gets old.

absolutely timeless solid gold

No it does not. Some of the greatest unintentional comedy of all time.

[alias_rice]

It never gets old.

absolutely timeless solid gold

Is that old bastard dead yet?