Do Mormons really affect you?

[Cyber Cop]

Maybe it's your reading comprehension that's "muddled".

Yoa are the king of all aliases.

er, i mean God, forgive me. master.

[Jer]

Whoa, this turns into an evilution / creaptionism thread and nobody tells me?

sooo much material ... too much!

I think that response to the Cosmological Argument is the best I've seen since kolidge ... we didn't know about polysorbate 80 then, or we would've used it on the Ontological Argument too.

You've got ~70 pages to go. Good luck.

[schindlerpiste]

Idiot alert. Play the record backwards. You'll hear, "Blurred is Cyber Cop" over and over again. He wants you to think that CC is Roo or Highway Star, but we know better.

[Blurred]

Idiot alert. Play the record backwards. You'll hear, "Blurred is Cyber Cop" over and over again. He wants you to think that CC is Roo or Highway Star, but we know better.

Who is this "we" you speak of? The voices in your head?

[schindlerpiste]

Blurred a/k/a Sybil

[bklyn]

Who here HATES to be last to post on a thread?

[schindlerpiste]

Sybil does.

[Mofro261]

Good thought.
Cosmic radiation is constantly bombarding the Earth, sometimes going all the way through the Earth. These particles/photons/etc. are passing through our bodies all the time.
These particles can be responsible for DNA mutation, which evolves the living being. The darwinism part weeds out the weak, and the strong mutations prevail. That's my most logical understanding.

Wrong. Cosmic radiation (gamma, UV) can cause DNA damage but repair systems can catch most of it. Most DNA mutation occurs during the replication process due to lack of polymerase fidelity.Viruses and bacteria have lower fidelity polymerases than humans and use this increased mutation rate to their advantage to escape the immune system / "evolve" drug resistance.

Susceptibility to cancer is inheritable, but as a general rule cancer is not.
Most people who develop cancers through accumulated mutations or enviromental factors have past breeding age (tho' Hefner...) and don't contribute to genetic drift. Anyone want a cigarette?

If you are worried about cosmic rays then put the tin foil hat back on.

[Blurred]

Blurred a/k/a Sybil

sybil aka Ted Stryker.

Who the fuck are you and why are you so stupid?

[golden powder]

Who here HATES to be last to post on a thread?

This thread is about to pass the Free Heli Wasatch TR thread.

[schindlerpiste]

sybil aka Ted Stryker.

Who the fuck are you and why are you so stupid?

Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
I’ve been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man’s soul and faith
And I was ’round when jesus christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

[Jer]

I'd prefer to be an atheist but there's really no such thing as a true athiest and certaintly no purpose in helping out your fellow man.

Hold on there - "no purpose in helping out your fellow man"?!? I discur most vehemorously!

... and I don't see what the big deal is with that two-legged whale. I mean, we have six-legged frogs, with one head or three.

[Viva]

If you are worried about cosmic rays then put the tin foil hat back on.

And wear it during a lightning storm.

[Cyber Cop]

Do Morons really affect you?

oh, my bad, I thought this thread was about brett.

[wanghoeby]

What the fuck do cosmic rays have to do with Mormans?

Are they going to the moon? Cause that would make bush a Morman you know.

[Blurred]

Wrong. Cosmic radiation (gamma, UV) can cause DNA damage but repair systems can catch most of it. Most DNA mutation occurs during the replication process due to lack of polymerase fidelity.

Oooo, now you're onto something. Keep going, look for a reason causing the "lack of polymerase infidelity". What causes those enzymes to get tweaked?
I'm no biologist, and chances are once we go down that road you'll school me all day. (unless it's HIV which I find incredibly fascinating-no joke)

Susceptibility to cancer is inheritable, but as a general rule cancer is not.

This line is interesting yet kind of suspect at the same time. You could say the same for just about every other disease under the sun. What this has to do with your argument, I still haven't been able to figure out yet. Throw in the other cosmic particles exclusive from gamma and UV, and you'll get closer to what I'm talking about.

Most people who develop cancers through accumulated mutations or enviromental factors have past breeding age (tho' Hefner...) and don't contribute to genetic drift. Anyone want a cigarette?

But some do reproduce and pass it on. Which has occurred over thousands of years, only to compound the effect. But let's not get off track here. I'm referring to the root of things, the cause for the disease/mutations in the first place.

If you are worried about cosmic rays then put the tin foil hat back on.

I have a feeling that a "tin foil hat" won't stop subatomic particles such as mesons, but I given too much away now.

Good post though, I'm impressed.

[Cyber Cop]

I have a feeling that a "tin foil hat" won't stop subatomic particles such as mesons, but I given too much away now.

Good post though, I'm impotent.

I knew it, brett is a scientologist

List of Scientologists
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* Kirstie Alley, actress
* Anne Archer, actress (her son, Tom Davis, runs the Los Angeles "Celebrity Centre")
* Lynsey Bartilson, actress
* Catherine Bell, actress
* Mary Bono, congresswoman
* Sonny Bono, artist and congressman (claimed Catholicism on campaign biographies)
* brett, folk singer
* David Campbell, musician
* Nancy Cartwright, voiceover artist, most famous as the voice of Bart Simpson
* Sharon Case, actress
* Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
* Erika Christensen, actress
* Chick Corea, musician
* Tom Cruise, actor (formerly Catholic, according to Parade)
* Sky Dayton, founder and Chairman of the Board of EarthLink
* Jason Dohring, actor
* Jenna Elfman, actress, formerly Catholic, and her husband Bodhi, actor
* Soleil Moon Frye, actress
* Brent Graber, voice of 'Otis' in movie 'Milo and Otis'
* Zachary Goertz, actor
* Paul Haggis, director
* Beck Hansen, musician
* Isaac Hayes, musician, actor, and formerly voiceover artist ("Chef (South Park character)")
* Katie Holmes, actress, introduced to Scientology by fiance Tom Cruise
* Nicky Hopkins, musician
* Mark Isham, musician
* Terry Jastrow, TV producer and director (married to Anne Archer)
* Mike Joubert, Bronson Pinchot's voice coach
* Cyprien Katsaris, musician
* Chaka Khan, singer
* Jarod Knoten, director
* Jason Lee, actor and professional skateboarder
* Paul Leland, magician
* Geoffrey Lewis, actor
* Johnny Lewis, actor
* Juliette Lewis, actress
* Peggy Lipton, actress
* Christopher Masterson, actor
* Danny Masterson, actor
* Lisa McPherson, died at Fort Harrison Hotel
* Peter Medak, director
* Jim Meskimen, actor and improviser
* Sofia Milos, actress (CSI: Miami)
* Elisabeth Moss, actress
* Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
* Haywood Nelson, actor
* Corin Nemec, actor
* Marisol Nichols, actress
* Judy Norton, actress and musician
* Brandy Norwood, actress and singer
* Eduardo Palomo, actor, and his wife Carina, actress and musician
* Don Pearson, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
* Michael Pena, actor
* Bernadette Peters, actress and singer (source: Bergen Record 3/10/1985, may be an ex-member)
* Jeff Pomerantz, actor and founder of Hollywood Says No to Drugs
* Lisa Marie Presley, singer and daughter of Elvis
* Priscilla Presley, actress and wife of Elvis
* Kelly Preston, actress and John Travolta's wife
* Leah Remini, actress
* Giovanni Ribisi, actor
* Marissa Ribisi, actress, wife of Beck Hansen, sister of Giovanni Ribisi.
* Carina Ricco, singer, actress and composer
* Michael D. Roberts, actor
* Mimi Rogers, actress -- believed to not be active in the church anymore, but still holds the beliefs
* Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Congresswoman
* Gloria Rusch-Novello, singer, writer and actress
* Pablo Santos, actor
* Meghan Schlinder, swimsuit model
* Kristin Schwing, actress
* Jeffrey Scott, writer for TV cartoons
* Billy Sheehan, rock bassist
* David Singer, chiropractor, 'Management by Statistics' consultant
* Reed Slatkin, criminal ponzi scheme perpetrator
* Michelle Stafford, actress
* Ethan Suplee, actor
* Patrick Swayze, actor
* Greta Van Susteren, host of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren on FNC
* John Travolta, actor
* Josh Wiener, actor
* Edgar Winter, musician
* David Wittig, CEO
* Bryan Zwan, founder of Digital Lightwave, inventor of fiber-optic testing equipment

[noodles]

Consider your solar particles with respect to skin cancer, for example. Skin cancer commonly occurs from excessive exposure to the sun. Cancer kills. People more susceptible die sooner than those less susceptible, ergo, they'll have less oportunity to reproduce. After a while, there will be mostly people with moderate susceptibility to skin cancer induced by overexposure to the sun. Who will those people be? Typically the ones with darker skin as increased melanin production confers protective properties against U.V. insult. It's easy to see where this goes.

white man is the devil? I fucking knew it!

[whatcomridaz]

More whales with Legs Kristie doesn't cut it, I'm thinking more along the lines of



Now that beyond a shadow of a doubt proves evolution and creationism is wrong. Nobody would design that on purpose, nor could that possibly evolve

[72Twenty]

Tom Cruise is a Scientologist?!?!?!?!? When did this happen!?!?!?!??!

[Tippster]

From today's NYT:

April 6, 2006
Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Scientists have discovered fossils of a 375-million-year-old fish, a large scaly creature not seen before, that they say is a long-sought missing link in the evolution of some fishes from water to a life walking on four limbs on land.

In two reports today in the journal Nature, a team of scientists led by Neil H. Shubin of the University of Chicago say they have uncovered several well-preserved skeletons of the fossil fish in sediments of former streambeds in the Canadian Arctic, 600 miles from the North Pole.

The skeletons have the fins, scales and other attributes of a giant fish, four to nine feet long. But on closer examination, the scientists found telling anatomical traits of a transitional creature, a fish that is still a fish but has changes that anticipate the emergence of land animals — and is thus a predecessor of amphibians, reptiles and dinosaurs, mammals and eventually humans.

In the fishes' forward fins, the scientists found evidence of limbs in the making. There are the beginnings of digits, proto-wrists, elbows and shoulders. The fish also had a flat skull resembling a crocodile's, a neck, ribs and other parts that were similar to four-legged land animals known as tetrapods.

Other scientists said that in addition to confirming elements of a major transition in evolution, the fossils were a powerful rebuttal to religious creationists, who have long argued that the absence of such transitional creatures are a serious weakness in Darwin's theory.

The discovery team called the fossils the most compelling examples yet of an animal that was at the cusp of the fish-tetrapod transition. The fish has been named Tiktaalik roseae, at the suggestion of elders of Canada's Nunavut Territory. Tiktaalik (pronounced tic-TAH-lick) means "large shallow water fish."

"The origin of limbs," Dr. Shubin's team wrote, "probably involved the elaboration and proliferation of features already present in the fins of fish such as Tiktaalik."

In an interview, Dr. Shubin, an evolutionary biologist, let himself go. "It's a really amazing, remarkable intermediate fossil," he said. "It's like, holy cow."

Two other paleontologists, commenting on the find in a separate article in the journal, said that a few other transitional fish had been previously discovered from approximately the same Late Devonian time period, 385 million to 359 million years ago. But Tiktaalik is so clearly an intermediate "link between fishes and land vertebrates," they said, that it "might in time become as much an evolutionary icon as the proto-bird Archaeopteryx," which bridged the gap between reptiles (probably dinosaurs) and today's birds.

The writers, Erik Ahlberg of Uppsala University in Sweden and Jennifer A. Clack of the University of Cambridge in England, are often viewed as rivals to Dr. Shubin's team in the search for intermediate species in the evolution from fish to the first animals to colonize land.

H. Richard Lane, director of paleobiology at the National Science Foundation, said in a statement, "These exciting discoveries are providing fossil 'Rosetta Stones' for a deeper understanding of this evolutionary milestone — fish to land-roaming tetrapods."

The science foundation and the National Geographic Society were among the financial supporters of the research. Besides Dr. Shubin, the principal discoverers were Edward B. Daeschler of the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia and Farish A. Jenkins Jr., a Harvard evolutionary biologist. Casts of the fossils will be on view at the Science Museum of London.

Michael J. Novacek, a paleontologist at the American Museum of Natural History in Manhattan, who was not involved in the research, said: "Based on what we already know, we have a very strong reason to think tetrapods evolved from lineages of fishes. This may be a critical phase in that transition that we haven't had before. A good fossil cuts through a lot of scientific argument."

Dr. Shubin's team played down the fossil's significance in the raging debate over Darwinian theory, which is opposed mainly by some conservative Christians in this country, but other scientists were not so reticent. They said this should undercut the argument that there is no evidence in the fossil record of one kind of creature becoming another kind.

One creationist site on the Web (emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs /evid1.htm) declares that "there are no transitional forms," adding: "For example, not a single fossil with part fins, part feet has been found. And this is true between every major plant and animal kind."

Dr. Novacek responded: "We've got Archaeopteryx, an early whale that lived on land, and now this animal showing the transition from fish to tetrapod. What more do we need from the fossil record to show that the creationists are flatly wrong?"

Duane T. Gish, a retired official of the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego, said, "This alleged transitional fish will have to be evaluated carefully." But he added that he still found evolution "questionable because paleontologists have yet to discover any transitional fossils between complex invertebrates and fish, and this destroys the whole evolutionary story."

Dr. Shubin and Dr. Daeschler began their search on Ellesmere Island in 1999. They were attracted by a map in a geology textbook showing an abundance of Devonian rocks exposed and relatively easy to explore. At that time, the land had a warm climate: it was part of a supercontinent straddling the Equator.

It was not until July 2004, Dr. Shubin said, that "we hit the jackpot." They found several of the fishes in a quarry, their skeletons largely intact and in three dimensions. The large skull had the sharp teeth of a predator. It was attached to a neck, which allowed the fish the unfishlike ability to swivel its head.

If the animal spent any time out of water, said Dr. Jenkins, of Harvard, it needed a true neck that allowed the head to move independently on the body.

Embedded in the pectoral fins were bones that compare to the upper arm, forearm and primitive parts of the hand of land-living animals. The joints of the fins appeared to be capable of functioning for movement on land, a case of a fish improvising with its evolved anatomy. In all likelihood, the scientists said, Tiktaalik flexed its proto-limbs mainly on the floor of streams and might have pulled itself up on the shore for brief stretches.

In their report, the scientists concluded that Tiktaalik was an intermediate between the fishes Eusthenopteron and Panderichthys, which lived 385 million years ago, and early tetrapods. The known early tetrapods are Acanthostega and Ichthyostega, about 365 million years ago.

Tiktaalik, Dr. Shubin said, is "both fish and tetrapod, which we sometimes call a fishapod."

[Viva]

Tom Cruise is a Scientologist?!?!?!?!?

Dooood, it was on Southpark; it has to be true.

[13]

Do mormons really affect me? They have since this thread came up.

Are creationism and evolution mutually exclusive? I don't consider them to be.

How do we know this universe isn't the only universe out there? Maybe "our" big bang wasn't the only big bang. Suppose there's another universe next to ours? Hi neighbor!

I love science but I choose to believe in science as a way of explaining the inner workings of god's infinite creations. It gives me a way to keep asking questions and reaffirming my own faith when some things can't be answered absolutely by our highly developed cerebral cortexes yet feeble minds.

[Viva]

I'm the last to post in this thread!

[Bodhi]

Hah!

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