What's Blizzard up to?

[undertow2]

goddamn.

X2... That ski is Fing sexy...!

[AntiVortex]

I know you guys probably aren't going to be too excited about the Brahma, but how do you think the changes will effect how it skis? Sounds to me like it is going to prefer to be more of a carving style of ski with a larger turning radius. How much impact do you think that will have on it's ability to get in trees and moguls?

[skibrd]

Deleted due to more info

[wasatchback]

The Brahma and Bonafide still have metal in the tip and tail. They have the same basic construction as the 15/16 products with different sidecut and rocker profiles. They have less rocker lengthwise but the tips aren't as low profile. They also have 1.5-2m more sidecut. Basically you don't have to lay them over as far to get them to engage. Still a longer radius than most but easier to turn at slower speeds and they pull harder through the turn.

Not sure why everyone thinks that cause there's Carbon in the tip and tail on the Brahma, Bonafide, Cochise there is no metal. The carbon is in addition to the metal.

[skibrd]

The Brahma and Bonafide still have metal in the tip and tail. They have the same basic construction as the 15/16 products with different sidecut and rocker profiles. They have less rocker lengthwise but the tips aren't as low profile. They also have 1.5-2m more sidecut. Basically you don't have to lay them over as far to get them to engage. Still a longer radius than most but easier to turn at slower speeds and they pull harder through the turn.

Not sure why everyone thinks that cause there's Carbon in the tip and tail on the Brahma, Bonafide, Cochise there is no metal. The carbon is in addition to the metal.

I think I'm confused because I was under the impression that the Rustler 10/11 has a partial metal core, and that was in the new Brahma, and Bonafide. The Cochise isn't changing from the current model, correct?

[wasatchback]

Rustlers and Spur have a partial metal construction (I'll post pics tomorrow). Brahma, Bonafide are still 2.5 sheets of metal.

[Nevada29er]

Sounds like the Bonafide and Brahma are getting more front side bias. What I currently like about these skis is how they ski off piste. They both strike a nice balance of predictability and maneuverability is crud conditions, while maintaining decent hard snow grip, and energetic carvers. Jack of all trades, master of none.

[AntiVortex]

Sounds like the Bonafide and Brahma are getting more front side bias. What I currently like about these skis is how they ski off piste. They both strike a nice balance of predictability and maneuverability is crud conditions, while maintaining decent hard snow grip, and energetic carvers. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Not sure how interested in them I am anymore, I was looking for a second ski for when conditions are a bit rougher at to take onto the backside of Lake Louise. If they are going to be sacrificing a lot of their backside ability I may end up looking to something else to fill the role. I'll have to see what happens when I demo though.

I'm only averaging 30 days a season so I feel like any durability issues that would arise from having less metal in it wouldn't really be an issue for me, although from what wasatchback is saying it shouldn't be an issue.

[Spooky]

Not sure how interested in them I am anymore, I was looking for a second ski for when conditions are a bit rougher at to take onto the backside of Lake Louise. If they are going to be sacrificing a lot of their backside ability I may end up looking to something else to fill the role. I'll have to see what happens when I demo though.

Demo at LL on 11th Feb so come try them out.

[wasatchback]

Got a little more beta on the Spurs... engineers were in Alta this week and gotta talk to them for a bit...

Inside edge Radius 30m
Outside edge Radius 26m

Different taper rates and obviously different lengths to each edge

Weight of one of my samples
2222g... pretty decent for a 192 124mm waisted ski.

[cocoapuff]

Got a little more beta on the Spurs... engineers were in Alta this week and gotta talk to them for a bit...

Inside edge Radius 30m
Outside edge Radius 26m

Different taper rates and obviously different lengths to each edge

Weight of one of my samples
2222g... pretty decent for a 192 124mm waisted ski.

Any_weights_on_the_Rustlers?

[Lord Thomas]

What is the Zero G lineup going to look like? Mention earlier of the mid-teens model, do 95 and 108 stay the same?

[jski171]

What is the Zero G lineup going to look like? Mention earlier of the mid-teens model, do 95 and 108 stay the same?

Looks like they stay the same

[roQer]

So Bodacious is going back to the bad ass metal original like in the yellow top sheet version? No carbon tip and tail? Lengths will be 196 and 186 again?
Just askin. The yellow Bods are such frickin rippers. I still have the 186 in my quiver but they are rather on the shorter edge and I'd be really diggin something around 190 cm.

[wasatchback]

So Bodacious is going back to the bad ass metal original like in the yellow top sheet version? No carbon tip and tail? Lengths will be 196 and 186 again?
Just askin. The yellow Bods are such frickin rippers. I still have the 186 in my quiver but they are rather on the shorter edge and I'd be really diggin something around 190 cm.

You got it. Original construction, shape, sizes, etc. Gonna be a one shot kinda deal I believe.
Can't remember but I think a total of 150 split between two sizes. Plan is for the proceeds to be donated to Arne's Foundation and Flyin Ryan Hawks Foundation.

[wasatchback]

What is the Zero G lineup going to look like? Mention earlier of the mid-teens model, do 95 and 108 stay the same?

Zero G is unchanged for next season. Same graphics, same models.

No new ski in the mid teens but new Rustler 11 weighs around 1850 in size 180 (112 waste). 178 ZG 108 weighs around 1650 for reference.

[JayPowHound]

#appstillcantdeleteposts
#bringbackthetagz

[cderose]

You got it. Original construction, shape, sizes, etc. Gonna be a one shot kinda deal I believe.
Can't remember but I think a total of 150 split between two sizes. Plan is for the proceeds to be donated to Arne's Foundation and Flyin Ryan Hawks Foundation.

Any chance of an old school cochise coming back?
Those would sell like hotcakes....again.

[straightlineorbust]

Let's get more rippers on the old school bodacious how about it. There a hell of a lot of ski, in the best of ways.

[Jstewss]

I got a chance to spend some time on the new Bonafide, and it doesn't sacrifice anything.. still a crud-buster, still can lay trenches. Minor improvements on an old classic. The new changes shouldn't deter anyone from buying one, it's not like they made it a 98mm-waisted "carving" ski, those are stupid.

[Jay P]

Skied the rustler 10 and 11 today. The 11 is sweet, good successor to the gunsmoke but the 10 unreal. One of the best skis I have ever been on. Rails turns like a fucking Kastle and plowes through bumps and crud like my gunsmokes. sick sick sick ski

[undertow2]

Skied the rustler 10 and 11 today. The 11 is sweet, good successor to the gunsmoke but the 10 unreal. One of the best skis I have ever been on. Rails turns like a fucking Kastle and plowes through bumps and crud like my gunsmokes. sick sick sick ski

This is not what I wanted to hear Jay P... I love my 193 Gunsmokes and have been hearing stellar things about the Rustler series... My buddy got to demo the 10 and his feedback was identical to yours... Do you know if the waist is 102 for the 188...?

[Jay P]

This is not what I wanted to hear Jay P... I love my 193 Gunsmokes and have been hearing stellar things about the Rustler series... My buddy got to demo the 10 and his feedback was identical to yours... Do you know if the waist is 102 for the 188...?

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[cocoapuff]

Nice. Super excited about these skis. My only concern is that blizzard made them too light. I heard the 11 in 180cm only weighs 1850g? Seems more like a touring weight class. For the majority of resort conditions, weight is your friend for smoothing out bad snow. Im worried at these weights (assuming I have them correct?), the Rustlers will be easily deflected in anything less than light fluffy. Thoughts?

[undertow2]

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Thanks Jay... I am def going to have to give the Rustler 10 a go...!