Buying a 10+ year old car what could go wrong?

**Bromontana** · 08-02-2016, 10:31 AM

If the IMS failed the engine wouldn't run. It is literally ball bearings that get released into the cylinders & inside of the engine. That type of servicing is very normal for the car; lots of owners cycle out IMS/clutch/flywheel as needed throughout ownership. For that car my concerns would be # of miles on the track + maintenance records. An ECU check will tell you how many Type 1 and 2 ignitions there are (1 = redlines, 2 = overrevs) - that will tell you exactly what the history is. It's normal for people buying Porsches to get a pre-purchase inpsection (PPI). After a PPI you'll be in a better position to gauge the condition of the car.

STFU - It may not come in to play this purchase but keep in mind the 9A1 motor in the 997.2 is by all accounts a classic, bulletproof engine. Porsche sold relatively few 997.2s and with the better reliability and performance of the 997.2 it should be an enthusiast magnet for decades to come. Personal budgets aside the 997.2 in 4S form will hold substantial value for decades to come. The same may or may not be true for the Golf R (or my 996 for that matter).

**Bobby Stainless** · 08-02-2016, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

BD - what are your thoughts on the S5?

One of the best looking cars, IMO. V8 is the same as the V8 from the R8.

Buy from Carmax and get the warranty. https://www.carmax.com/cars/audi/s5/2010/12707875

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-02-2016, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Beer Drinker

One of the best looking cars, IMO. V8 is the same as the V8 from the R8.

Buy from Carmax and get the warranty. https://www.carmax.com/cars/audi/s5/2010/12707875

Already requested they send this one from Houston:

https://www.carmax.com/cars/audi/s5/2012/13412637

Sweet looking ride. What's your depreciation forecast on that? Has the SC V6 proven to be as much of a letdown as the 4.2 fanbois thought it would be?

**Bobby Stainless** · 08-02-2016, 12:10 PM

I don't see it depreciating much over 2-3 years of ownership.

Luxurious. I would only buy a V8 one. Manual. I bet Iceman likes it.

Get the warranty.

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-02-2016, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Beer Drinker

I don't see it depreciating much over 2-3 years of ownership.

Luxurious. I would only buy a V8 one. Manual. I bet Iceman likes it.

Get the warranty.

The warranty is the only way I'd even consider it. 5 years up to 100K on the ODO, with a $150 deductible is $3600. Total no brainer. Still cheaper than the Golf R. Faster I'm sure...

The S5 is in route to Denver. We'll see...

Edit: I think I'm going to end up buying the Golf R this week and bringing it back to CO. Then in 2 weeks when the S5 arrives in Denver, I'll consider selling the R and buying that.

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-02-2016, 08:10 PM

Deal's done. Headed to KC to pick up the Golf on Thursday. Expecting the S5 next Friday. Would be surprised if I don't pick up at least $8k by the the time it's all said and done. Even the wife and kid are psyched for the S5.

Edit to add - many thanks for everyone's help. It's been a real process, but I feel good about the S5. A good mix of luxury, performance, and "special", without a ton of risk. For a.long time, I've been struggling to imagine where this would end up. It's not a 964, but I don't think I'll be disappointed. Will revisit in a while... I appreciate all the responses.

**guroo270** · 08-02-2016, 08:59 PM

Can I have that for the boxster?

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-02-2016, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by guroo270

Can I have that for the boxster?

**guroo270** · 08-02-2016, 09:17 PM

**Bromontana** · 08-02-2016, 09:28 PM

I just want a bj from Christy Turlington

**huckbucket** · 08-02-2016, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Bromontana

I just want a bj from Christy Turlington

That chick is the ultimate two-face.

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-02-2016, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by huckbucket

That chick is the ultimate two-face.

As in, two blow jobs?

**shroom** · 08-02-2016, 10:35 PM

at the same time

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-02-2016, 10:45 PM

That's what I'd do with a million dollars..

That, and buy a '92 964 C4 with 25k miles.

**Bromontana** · 08-02-2016, 11:06 PM

buy two of these and a 993 C4. Park the 2 and drive the 993.

**Bobby Stainless** · 08-03-2016, 04:28 AM

Congratulations. That sounds like a good plan.

I am so pissed I didn't buy a couple 993s 4 years ago.

Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

I don't need to hear how I fucked up... What I need from you is money.

**guroo270** · 08-03-2016, 05:06 AM

Pay that myan hees myuni.

**hawkgt** · 08-03-2016, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Beer Drinker

I am so pissed I didn't buy a couple 993s 4 years ago.

this, 993 has been and will always be my dream car. had a line on a turbo 11 years ago and could not put the $$$ together at the time, sigh

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-03-2016, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bromontana

buy two of these and a 993 C4. Park the 2 and drive the 993.

It's hard to understand how Porsche managed to drift so far away from this... What a pretty car...

**Bromontana** · 08-03-2016, 05:00 PM

They have different clientele now; 718 line is the pure driving experience now from this outsider's persepctive.

Good stuff on that S5- im a fan of the layout. At the track earlier this summer a coworker took his tuned S4 and his instructor's S5 apparently is even faster. Real track monsters in addition to being beautiful, comfortable rides. Gl with it.

**guroo270** · 08-03-2016, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw

It's hard to understand how Porsche managed to drift so far away from this... What a pretty car...

While I agree with the statement, it's ironic. I wish they'd just continue to produce classics and sell them cheaper and cheaper. If I could pick up a Type R Integra, 95 M3, or just a classic 911 like that I definitely would.

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-03-2016, 06:04 PM

Yeah, I don't know...

And it's not really about the driving characteristics of the cars. The old 2.7s and 3.2s were strange handling cars. The 930 Turbo Widow's Club could rent out Madison Square Garden. I'd be astounded if the Golf I'm going to pick up on Friday isn't faster than the 964 I can't afford, as would be any car in the post 964 Porsche lineup. The 996 is slower, but only after the ims failure!

But Porsche has gone through a period (a long one now) of having lost the style plot. Even the 718, which is not a bad looking car, manages to both obviously attempt conjure up memories of the old 718, and also somehow fail in doing so. The 991 is better, but even there the modern interiors are consistently uninspiring. Somewhere along the line Porsche forgot that the success is in the basics, and then delivering them as sculptures from which every last grain of unnecessary sand has been removed. Because wood trimmed steering wheels, and a million buttons on the dashboard don't make a great sports car. Ferdie stumbled upon what has proven to be the world's most durably iconic vehicle shape. His descendants should stay the fuck out of the way and let the magic do its thing. Keep designing better engines, better transmissions, add a cock sucking mother fucking radiator if you have to. Keep engineering better cars... But stop fucking around with the packaging already.

**stfu&gbtw** · 08-03-2016, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bromontana

They have different clientele now; 718 line is the pure driving experience now from this outsider's persepctive.

Good stuff on that S5- im a fan of the layout. At the track earlier this summer a coworker took his tuned S4 and his instructor's S5 apparently is even faster. Real track monsters in addition to being beautiful, comfortable rides. Gl with it.

Hey, sorry... got a little wound up there. Thanks... I'll post some pictures.