OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

[montanaskier]

Different topic I guess but....the fact that you get a drivers license and have to know the rules of the road at 16 and basically never have to again is a JOKE. It wouldn't help much but it would help some.

[Danno]

the last few posts have me thinking this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ

[karpiel]

Well, duh. Lets just ban all commercial traffic so recreational users can get to their destination 5 minutes earlier. Let's punish the people making a living driving because Dipshit and his family are going skiiun and haven't figured out how to pass and move over.

Ideas like this are as retarded as they get, the only problem with i-70 is the incompetence of the average driver with entitlement issues. My truck is limited by physics, if you have a problem with that, get fucked or buy me a 4000 hp truck. In the meantime, maybe we should step up enforcement of "laws" on the road.

EDIT: this was meant to be a quote, but you know who you are.

[fastfred]

I have to imagine the conversations amongst the CDOT "solutions committee" are probably similar to the arguing in this thread...

doubtfull unfortunatly cause cdot knows they don't have two pennies to rub together to make anything happen

people here think every body wants to pay higher taxes to bring all our roads up tot he 21st century and improve overall transportation methods, truth is people will buy a 40 50 60 thousand dollar car (or purchase a 22 k car that they really can't afford to begin with) and not want to pay for the roads to drive it on since someone else should pay for those roads or private enterprise will come to our rescue ask any fat lazy republican who skis greens all day and owns a nice pad in a ski town they'll tell you how it is

[smmokan]

Ideas like this are as retarded as they get, the only problem with i-70 is the incompetence of the average driver with entitlement issues. My truck is limited by physics, if you have a problem with that, get fucked or buy me a 4000 hp truck. In the meantime, maybe we should step up enforcement of "laws" on the road.

Enforcing the chain law for these said truckers would be a good first step.

[char]

I love this thread.

[simple]

I70 to the airport this morning was a bitch. Who's to blame?!?!

[char]

It would be really interesting to see the numbers if anyone knows: traffic volumes (truck, bus, passenger), passenger per car, average speed, etc. during the times you guys complain about.

karpiel - Are more businesses trying to schedule around this recreational traffic and are truckers able to raise prices if a load needs to go during the high traffic times?

[hatchgreenchile]

I70 to the airport this morning was a bitch. Who's to blame?!?!

Quarter inch of snow? 1:15 commute this morning!
Time for a seperate "I70 Metro Bitch" thread...

[summit]

My secret is to drive at 2AM. Works pretty well.

[bean]

Well, duh. Lets just ban all commercial traffic so recreational users...

Implying that truckers passing through CO on weekends are big business while recreation is an insignificant contribution to the state's economy.

[Name Redacted]

Implying that truckers passing through CO on weekends are big business while recreation is an insignificant contribution to the state's economy.

Trucks supply every business in the high country 24 hours a day. Banning them during peak times would cripple the "Recreation Economy" you speak of.

I know a few people who are on the I70 coalition and one guy in particular who represents the commercial trucking side of things. I used to think the same as many people here regarding banning trucks during peak hours. He made some points that completely changed my mind. For instance, the Eagle airport would basically be rendered useless without getting fuel shipped from Denver on a regular basis. Most gas stations in the high country are resupplied on a round the clock schedule as well. Most restaurants are resupplied every morning, they miss a truck, they run out of half their product and have to shut their doors.

[Garth Bimble]

Trucks supply every business in the high country 24 hours a day. Banning them during peak times would cripple the "Recreation Economy" you speak of.

I know a few people who are on the I70 coalition and one guy in particular who represents the commercial trucking side of things. I used to think the same as many people here regarding banning trucks during peak hours. He made some points that completely changed my mind. For instance, the Eagle airport would basically be rendered useless without getting fuel shipped from Denver on a regular basis. Most gas stations in the high country are resupplied on a round the clock schedule as well. Most restaurants are resupplied every morning, they miss a truck, they run out of half their product and have to shut their doors.

Nobody is suggesting the trucks can't run. Just not during certain hours. This isn't rocket science. I'm sure the logistics could be worked out.

[Name Redacted]

Nobody is suggesting the trucks can't run. Just not during certain hours. This isn't rocket science. I'm sure the logistics could be worked out.

You are right, not rocket science, but in order to supply what they need to supply, they need the full 24 hours in a day. Logistics that would need to be "worked out" would be much larger than people realize.

[Name Redacted]

Do you think that trucking companies might already alter their delivery schedule around peak traffic? Do you think they like having a semi sitting in traffic for hours on end? Do you think that they might already be trying to "Work out" these logistics themselves? Contrary to popular belief, trucking companies aren't run by a bunch of stupid redneck meth heads.

[hatchgreenchile]

Semis are what, maybe 3% of the I70 traffic you’ll see on a weekend? Not the problem.

[Garth Bimble]

Do you think that trucking companies might already alter their delivery schedule around peak traffic? Do you think they like having a semi sitting in traffic for hours on end? Do you think that they might already be trying to "Work out" these logistics themselves? Contrary to popular belief, trucking companies aren't run by a bunch of stupid redneck meth heads.

I ran a warehouse in Denver for 20 years that distributed products all over the front range. I realize delivering to the mountains is a slightly different dynamic but the fundamentals are basically the same. If they don't like sending trucks up and having them sit in traffic for hours on end why do they do it? We were able to keep our trucks off the road during peak hours most of the time. We had to tweak our driver/customer schedules a bit, but we made it work because we had to if we wanted to remain competitive. This nonsense that something like this can't/won't work is the realm of the small minded and this attitude that we have to do it this way is bullshit and more of a matter of principal than reality.

[Name Redacted]

I ran a warehouse in Denver for 20 years that distributed products all over the front range. I realize delivering to the mountains is a slightly different dynamic but the fundamentals are basically the same. If they don't like sending trucks up and having them sit in traffic for hours on end why do they do it? We were able to keep our trucks off the road during peak hours most of the time. We had to tweak our driver/customer schedules a bit, but we made it work because we had to if we wanted to remain competitive. This nonsense that something like this can't/won't work is the realm of the small minded and this attitude that we have to do it this way is bullshit and more of a matter of principal than reality.

No, it's just like the magic busses that will miraculously reduce traffic by whisking travelers away to Vail in under two hours. And the incredible sub three hour commute to Vail on a four lane 285. Or the never ending train idea that does the same bullshit as the other two. They are all bullshit pipedreams. In the end, it'll be a combination of many REALISTIC ideas that will decrease traffic.

Banning trucks from a federal highway is not only illegal, but will negatively affect the very economy we are trying to protect.

[Garth Bimble]

No, it's just like the magic busses that will miraculously reduce traffic by whisking travelers away to Vail in under two hours. And the incredible sub three hour commute to Vail on a four lane 285. Or the never ending train idea that does the same bullshit as the other two. They are all bullshit pipedreams. In the end, it'll be a combination of many REALISTIC ideas that will decrease traffic.

Banning trucks from a federal highway is not only illegal, but will negatively affect the very economy we are trying to protect.

Not banning, just restricting and that gets done all the time. We're only talking about a few hours a day a couple days a week a few months a year. It's worth a try, IMHO. If it doesn't work you go back to the old way but you won't know if you don't try. Anyone who says it won't work is doing so based on opinion, not fact. It's all speculation at this point, and FWIW that goes for both sides...

[WTF is dat]

Yeah... lets just limit inter-state commerce (the reason interstates were built in the first place) so that some dumbass tourists and retarded denverites can make it to keystone a little faster.

[Garth Bimble]

Geez, you guys are a bunch of nattering naybobs of negativity. Nobody's limiting commerce. In fact, when we adjusted our delivery schedules to avoid the peak times we actually improved our profits because our delivery costs went down. Our trucks weren't sitting in traffic burning fuel and our drivers knew pretty much every day when they would leave and when they'd get home. We worked with our customers to make sure they got what they wanted when they wanted it, they didn't have to carry any additional inventory to accommodate us and we didn't lose a $ in sales over it. The process was actually a great success for our operation but we would have never achieved it if we hadn't been willing to try.

[concretejungle]

Well shit go ahead and call the companies that run on I-70. I'm sure they'd love to hire you as a consultant.

Higher pass prices but ski resorts doesn't give a fuck about you.

[Garth Bimble]

For all I know they have tried it and it didn't work. I've never seen any data to prove it but that doesn't mean it isn't out there. Maybe somebody here who knows can point me in the right direction. It's hard to believe they wouldn't have tried to find an alternative by now, unless they don't really want to.

And what has this got to do with higher pass prices? Up until recently fuel costs were going through the roof and diesel is still pretty high I think, and how has that impacted season pass prices?

[concretejungle]

You're the one who was successful in the trucking industry. Surely you've got contacts.

A guy as smart as yourself can figure out how a higher pass price would reduce volume, which is the real problem. Think real hard and I'm sure you can figure it out.

[Garth Bimble]

We were successful in modifying our delivery schedule but it wasn't because I was smarter than anybody, I just believe that any operation has room for improvement and we weren't afraid to try something new. Many years in operations management taught me a few things, one of which was making decisions based on unsubstantiated opinion isn't very smart.

Thanks for clarifying the pass pricing issue, I obviously misunderstood your point. If there was a possibility that you could maintain pass prices as they are and reduce congestion on the highway wouldn't you be interested in at least trying it? I realize overcrowded slopes suck, but that's another issue, I think.