TR: A fall into King Ravine (Mount Adams, NH)

[lynchdogger]

roj is taking a break for a week.

How about permanently?!

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[jgb@etree]

How about permanently?!

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I'll second that.

[talus]

love going solo in far off remote places. you have to respect the mountains they can be relentless no matter if you are solo or with the best in the world.

[BigDaddy]

Am glad the OP survived... this thread could easily have been about loosing another skier. That's what I mean when I said I am glad we are joking about it. He's brought the notoriety on himself by blabbing all over the web, and clearly earned the schooling, but the Rog crap is pretty f'ing weak. Not sure either one can, or even want to learn much. Too bad as there is some great advice and fantastic stuff to be gleaned here and elsewhere amongst all the bs.

RT3, tell us more about teh Markerz... a few others here use them, too. Mostly Sharpies for write'n gang symbols n shit, tho.

[monkfish]

Marker bindings. I'll start with that.

This post might actually be pretty funny in the context of what some here think of Markers. But continue please. Trip planning/time of day, what you pack (and I don't mean the gun), assessment of stability/other snowpack conditions and route selection, heuristic traps, personal "live free or die" philosophy vs potentially exposing others (like SAR) to risk, etc.

I guess what I'm getting at without being an armchair shrink is I think you might have, if not a death wish, a cool-injuries wish. Which might not be a key to a long and healthy life.

[Vt-Freeheel]

[BigDaddy]

VT-F, killing me!

[wolfelot]

The OP is such a badass! Didn't you guys see all the news articles in the first post about his tumble verifying that? His friends are like whoa man! Dang! He is quite proud of his shithead self. What RTTT understands and is comfortable with is that when yer the man haterz gonna hate!

Let us know how the MCAT goes. I have a feeling your lack of humility and unrealistic view of your abilities, yet need to take an entire semester off to study means you are not going to score so well. Taking a semester off to study for the MCAT is not a good idea. Medical school is challenging. If you needed an entire semester just to study for the MCAT schools will wonder if you can hack it in their difficult curriculum.

Glad you are okay. Hope you learn something. One lesson might be to not bring trouble your way by starting threads like this.

One final question: Would you want medical school admissions committee personnel googling you and finding this thread? There may be enough bits of information about you in here to come up in a search. You are naive to think there is no way it will happen and that it can't negatively impact your application.

[fastfred]

I could easily sit here and defend this kid left and right, everything he did is something I have done (to some degree, you do take the cake for complete stupidness, something I can’t even come close to) there was an accident and the shit hit the fan.


The reason why I’d rather shit all over you instead of stand up for you is your attitude. You have to get over yourself. Everytime someone tries to bring you down to reality you shoot back about how hard you work, how smart you are, and how your future is so bright. I mean have you always considered yourself the smartest guy in the room? Of course your smarter than me on paper I barely graduated high school. Think about it, your 20 you live at home and are obsessed with being the toughest guy out there.


People do stupid shit in the backcountry all the time and a lot of them come back dead. Your super lucky. I know why you didn’t have a partner that day or any other day because most of your potential partners know how reckless and unprepared you are. There are lots of guys like you out there, you’re a dime a dozen. Unprepared, lacking on common sense, and willing to put yourself and others in danger. Until you admit your shortcomings people should continue to tell you how it is.


Plus you have brought all this attention to yourself, you have posted endlessly all over the internet about your near death experience. Hoping people would elevate you to hero status. Hoping the tv stations keep calling and the newspapers want to make you into something your not. The reality is a lot of people who spend time in the back country realize you are first class idiot.

The best advise for you is to stick to skiing at pats peak and leave the gun for the shooting range

[Rise To The Top]

This post might actually be pretty funny in the context of what some here think of Markers. But continue please. Trip planning/time of day, what you pack (and I don't mean the gun), assessment of stability/other snowpack conditions and route selection, heuristic traps, personal "live free or die" philosophy vs potentially exposing others (like SAR) to risk, etc.

I guess what I'm getting at without being an armchair shrink is I think you might have, if not a death wish, a cool-injuries wish. Which might not be a key to a long and healthy life.

The snowpack that I assessed earlier that day was the daily melt ontop of a few inches of corn (depending on the area, 3-4 inches). Under that was a considerably thick slab of ice, which had been strenghthened by all of the freeze/thaw that week and the week previous. I had plenty of time to feel it out on my way over, and the risk that I had for an avi was low. I had a few other gullies picked out to ski that day, but given the time of day and the exposure, I figured the 7 would have the best snow with the sun coming down on it. By the time I got over to the top, the sun had been obscured by cloud cover and the surface re-froze. In that aspect I would have started the trip earlier, because had that refreeze not occured I think I would have been fine. As noted earlier, the cloud cover came in quickly and unexpectedly.

I typically pack a:
- probe
- shovel
- crampons
- ice axe
- a spare ECWCS level 1 top and bottom
- spare socks
- 2L of water
- snacks
- full med kit; hemostat, hemostatic powder, gauze, bp cuff (which doubles as tourniquet), stethoscope, shears, IV starter, 300mL saline, tape, painkillers, alcohol wipes, and butterfly stitches. I have, throughout the past three years, used everything in this kit other than the hemostat clamp, the IV starter, and the saline.
- GPS with loaded topos
- my phone with loaded topos.

That day I was wearing levels 1, 2, 3, and 5 on myself, and had 7 compressed into my bag. I left the probe and shovel at home and sub'd them with my skis and poles (took a basket off).

[talus]

I figured the 7 would have the best snow with the sun coming down on it.

sun baking is NO va bene!

[Beetman]

I left the probe and shovel at home and sub'd them with my skis and poles (took a basket off).

You learn something every day! No probe? No shovel? No problem, I have skis and poles.

[robrox]

'fred's on to most of what I'd have to add, but in one respect goes further than I would.

I don't assume the ____wish nor the same degree of bragadiccio. fastfred (along with monkfish, and others) may well be right about it, but having been adrenalized by close ones, I know that motor-verbosity can follow.

I think the young man is just hyped up from the events and hasn't transitioned to increased wisdom yet. We all do that at different rates. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt..but I do agree that pointing stuff out to him is a good idea.

BTW, I am opposed to packing heat for skiing in the East Coast BC. That's TV/Movie drama stuff, way beyond the need in NE BC. The bear are undernourished and looking for easier pickings, rabies is not widespread among the smaller critters, Hell, even the Coy-dogs will leave you alone.

[robrox]

stupid IE double post...sorry about that!

[Peruvian]

Knowing you consume as little water and food as possible, it's not surprising you have gone through your entire emergency med kit over the past 3 yrs.

[Rise To The Top]

Knowing you consume as little water and food as possible, it's not surprising you have gone through your entire emergency med kit over the past 3 yrs.

Surprisingly enough, I've only used it on my self twice (once on this fall to clean up a little bit with alcohol wipes, and one other time when I had a rock sticking out of my arm a few years ago). Every other time it is someone else.

[Rise To The Top]

You learn something every day! No probe? No shovel? No problem, I have skis and poles.

Last time I checked, several companies (black diamon being one of them) make poles that double as probes. And a ski is perfectly fine for digging a mini pit.

[neufox47]

You learn something every day! No probe? No shovel? No problem, I have skis and poles.

You miss the part where he was solo? Was he going to probe himself and dig himself out?

[neufox47]

The OP is such a badass! Didn't you guys see all the news articles in the first post about his tumble verifying that? His friends are like whoa man! Dang! He is quite proud of his shithead self. What RTTT understands and is comfortable with is that when yer the man haterz gonna hate!

Let us know how the MCAT goes. I have a feeling your lack of humility and unrealistic view of your abilities, yet need to take an entire semester off to study means you are not going to score so well. Taking a semester off to study for the MCAT is not a good idea. Medical school is challenging. If you needed an entire semester just to study for the MCAT schools will wonder if you can hack it in their difficult curriculum.

Glad you are okay. Hope you learn something. One lesson might be to not bring trouble your way by starting threads like this.

One final question: Would you want medical school admissions committee personnel googling you and finding this thread? There may be enough bits of information about you in here to come up in a search. You are naive to think there is no way it will happen and that it can't negatively impact your application.

Wolfe!! Long time no see. ^^Not to mention employers.

[robrox]

Last time I checked, several companies (black diamon being one of them) make poles that double as probes. And a ski is perfectly fine for digging a mini pit.

Skis are worse than useless for digging in avy debris...shovels work better for assessment and rescue/recovery. You are in the company of very seasoned mountain people. Many here are professionals with decades of training.

I and others will left you have plenty of slack, but see that you don't hang yourself with it! I advise asking questions and taking a week or two to process the responses you get. Keep on like this and learning will remain difficult.

[robrox]

You miss the part where he was solo? Was he going to probe himself and dig himself out?

That's a fair point, but if he needed to help others?

[liv2ski]

14 pages and still going strong??? I guess the OP's propensity to rise to the chum and the general boredom of the mags is strong. Likely one of the dumbest threads I have glanced at on here. Congrats OP.

[TBS]

The snowpack that I assessed earlier that day was the daily melt ontop of a few inches of corn (depending on the area, 3-4 inches). Under that was a considerably thick slab of ice, which had been strenghthened by all of the freeze/thaw that week and the week previous. I had plenty of time to feel it out on my way over, and the risk that I had for an avi was low. I had a few other gullies picked out to ski that day, but given the time of day and the exposure, I figured the 7 would have the best snow with the sun coming down on it. By the time I got over to the top, the sun had been obscured by cloud cover and the surface re-froze. In that aspect I would have started the trip earlier, because had that refreeze not occured I think I would have been fine. As noted earlier, the cloud cover came in quickly and unexpectedly.

I typically pack a:
- probe
- shovel
- crampons
- ice axe
- a spare ECWCS level 1 top and bottom
- spare socks
- 2L of water
- snacks
- full med kit; hemostat, hemostatic powder, gauze, bp cuff (which doubles as tourniquet), stethoscope, shears, IV starter, 300mL saline, tape, painkillers, alcohol wipes, and butterfly stitches. I have, throughout the past three years, used everything in this kit other than the hemostat clamp, the IV starter, and the saline.
- GPS with loaded topos
- my phone with loaded topos.

That day I was wearing levels 1, 2, 3, and 5 on myself, and had 7 compressed into my bag. I left the probe and shovel at home and sub'd them with my skis and poles (took a basket off).

Any particular reason the BEACON isn't on the list? And why only carry about half of the ten essentials?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials

Note that Gat(t) isn't on the list. Knife/multitool, fire starter, way to boil water, emergency shelter, 50' parachute cord with a couple of pulleys - combined weigh less than a 9mm and are gonna be way more useful. Trust me here - I've done three unplanned bivouacs over the years, and never once did I wish I had been strapped...more food, more voile straps, yes, but not a gun.

You have also shown that the most important thing you can carry into the backcountry - a huge dose of humility and respect for the mountains - is sorely lacking in your kit. Please get yourself some backcountry smarts before it's too late.

[Beetman]

Last time I checked, several companies (black diamon being one of them) make poles that double as probes. And a ski is perfectly fine for digging a mini pit.

Dudes got all the answers

[axebiker]

I typically pack a:

Did you forget...something???