Hjortleifson has been heard, the DynaFit Vulcan

[pow314]

^your post is irrelevant because you proved yourself that the shell fits the same....we all know that the liner is shit and most people are replacing it.

[XXX-er]

. It is a cheap poorly made liner that has no moldability and is slapped together and stuffed in a premium shell making the Mercury a $900 boot and the Vulcan a $1200 boot after spend another $200 on a liner that you can actually use to access the boot's full potential. It's really more like buying a shell stuffed with newspaper. All that is missing is the inscription on the box, "Liners sold separately."

yup ^^^ that is pretty much spot on, if i didn't have an old conform'ables heat molded liner to try in that shell I would have had to mail the mercury's back, so I sprung for power wraps this season AND in spite of all the $$$$ I had to spend ... for my foot there was no other choice !

Last march I told the dynafit rep I think they are losing in sales whatever $ they saved by spec'ing palau liners instead of intuition or anything else cuz if the customer trys the boot on and if it feels like shit ... they give it a pass

So how does Scarpa buy intuition liners, dynafit fittings and STILL make money selling the maestrale cheaper?

Edit: I think it was tom who molded my pw's and did a punch for a funny bone on my foot ... he did a good job

[PNWbrit]

a liner that you can actually use to access the boot's full potential.

Stock liner has not prevented me from accessing the boot's full potential.

I've had intuition liners that haven't lasted or fitted as well as them.

YMMV

[Wetdog]

^your post is irrelevant because you proved yourself that the shell fits the same....we all know that the liner is shit and most people are replacing it.

My post is relevant to those who continue enquire about the fit of the stock liners. The only people who know the liner is shit are those who have bought it or tried it on and as many sizes are not available anymore, for those wondering, it is very much relevant when people continue to post misinformation.

[XXX-er]

I've had intuition liners that haven't lasted or fitted as well as them.

YMMV

which could also mean in the past ... you bought the wrong boot/wrong liner or had a shitty boot fitter

the Intuition outlet have all the products and definatley know exactly what they are doing

more people have complained about the dynafit liner than those who have said the dyna fit liner was a good liner SO maybe you just got luckY??



ps:You didn't get Rog to fit them intuition liners you didn't like eh ?

[LeeLau]

I don't think the Dynafit liners are all that bad. The older versions were pretty poor but these newer ones from 2 - 3 years ago are a distinct improvement



Had the Vulcan/Beast combo out today.

This made me realize how much AT boots and bindings have come along. Blackcomb Gl was flat light. Maybe 5cms of chopped up snow with traverse tracks on it. With this combo - no problem. Just drive the skis, keep the tips going forward and charge. Eye-opening for sure in the sense of reinforcing just how good these boots are

[Fejau]

Before Lee slaughters me for going against the Intuition hype train, I've skied 98% of my days in the stock liner rather than a pair of free pro tours I received.

Mind you, reason being is I have a pretty big calf, too big for a pro tour in a vulcan and it cramps me up pretty badly. My consensus is a lower volume Dreamliner would solve that, but for now I've racked 100+ days on the stock liner and I find them great

[NoPostholio]

which could also mean in the past ... you bought the wrong boot/wrong liner or had a shitty boot fitter

the Intuition outlet have all the products and definatley know exactly what they are doing

more people have complained about the dynafit liner than those who have said the dyna fit liner was a good liner SO maybe you just got luckY??



ps:You didn't get Rog to fit them intuition liners you didn't like eh ?

He can mold them in his manner from thousands of miles away - a Vulcan mind mold per se

[LeeLau]

Before Lee slaughters me for going against the Intuition hype train, I've skied 98% of my days in the stock liner rather than a pair of free pro tours I received.

Mind you, reason being is I have a pretty big calf, too big for a pro tour in a vulcan and it cramps me up pretty badly. My consensus is a lower volume Dreamliner would solve that, but for now I've racked 100+ days on the stock liner and I find them great

As data my Pro Tours with 100 days are badly packed out. So I tossed my Vulcan liners in for inbounds and they skied really well

[Wetdog]

As data my Pro Tours with 100 days are badly packed out. So I tossed my Vulcan liners in for inbounds and they skied really well

Have you tried touring on them?

[LeeLau]

Have you tried touring on them?

Yah I did tour on the first pair I had last season and they worked fine but needed cooking as they are lasted quite tight especially at the toe. I didn't ski on them much as I was being a weight weenie with the Pro-Tours. So I never did ski the OE Dynafit liners much inbounds (just 1 day and that was last year and just 2 days touring). My info that they packed out in about 30 days were from some other people so its good to hear Fejau's input that they last longer than that.

[Fejau]

90% of people I have who try on a One/Mercury/Vulcan have pain in the instep from stock liner. Other than having to pad the shit out of it in a heatmold, touring in them is great, IMO.

[Wetdog]

I'll give it a try. The stock liner has a weird, harsh, hard kind of feel with a lot of toe box room. Heat molding relieved a bit of pressure across the fore foot, but did little else. I was all set to get a pair of Pro Tours, but perhaps with a bit of use, I'll get used to them. I will report back.

[powder11]

I skied the stock Vulcan liner one day last season and hated it. Felt like your avg alpine liner. I could see it packing out real quick if touring a lot.

That being said, I went ahead and had mine foamed at Surefoot (gasp!). Adds a nice even structure to compliment a stiff boot that will take you for a ride if you're not driving it. I honestly don't view the Vulcan as an AT boot, so not even thinking about weight. Lee Lau can provide that data, but anyone using this boot in the 1st place probably isn't worried about weight either.

If I was out on multi tour days, then I probably would go for lighter gear anyway. IMO, the Vulcan is a great resort/side country boot that happens to have tech binding capability (bonus).

[retirwntm]

And you're running them with beasts 100% of the time - or are you jamming them into some other alpine binding?

[powder11]

100% beasts last season and 100 % FR radicals this season. Havent broken out the beasts yet this season because its low tide at Whistler and I dont want to trash my carbon lhasa's the beasts are mounted to. Hopefully that situation changes soon.

[jamesp]

I honestly don't view the Vulcan as an AT boot, so not even thinking about weight. Lee Lau can provide that data, but anyone using this boot in the 1st place probably isn't worried about weight either.

The light weight is one of the main reasons I got them. Sure you can go lighter, but its hard to beat the weight/stiffness combination.

I molded the stock liners again, with thicker socks & a footbed & they are much more comfortable now. Not sure how long the liners will last, but they are comfy enough for me.

I'm getting used to the stiffness now after skiing them more (took the flex blocks out, using the more fwd lean position). Definitely agree that you have to stay fwd & on it, try relax or stand up & it all goes pear shaped pretty quick.

[PNWbrit]

The light weight is one of the main reasons I got them. Sure you can go lighter, but its hard to beat the weight/stiffness combination.

I molded the stock liners again, with thicker socks & a footbed & they are much more comfortable now. Not sure how long the liners will last, but they are comfy enough for me.

Lighter, ski and tour better than anything prior that you can remotely compare.

Well over a 100 days with most including touring on stock mercury liners. Only very slightly packed out no signs of liners wearing excessively. Shells are looking a little beat up but haven't broken anything yet.

I pretty much only bother with stock booster strap to reduce stress on upper buckle when going to ski mode.

[pow314]

gotten a few days on my ren vulcan beast setup....hoji has helped created some pretty amazing products. skied them hard at the resort for about two weeks. didn't hold back at all, hit some pretty big cliffs to hard snow, skied a bunch of lines with no fall zones, and basically treated the setup as if it was a 916 and a pair of plug boots...pre released once from vibration, but i was on ice and going about 60. in my mind this binding isn't quite a 16 din downhill binding and on hard snow it won't be able to do some things, but in soft snow there isn't a line you can't ski on account of your bindings. still working out vulcan fit, but loving it so far. don't think it's too stiff at all, coming from a krypton pro and wouldn't say they ski much stiffer than it. the flax is just a bit more abrupt and doesn't absorb variable snow as nicely as the krypton. will offer a better review once i get the fit dialed.

[kevino]

Any consensus on what a used pair of vulcans is worth? Purchased in the spring, about 40+ days, single punch at navicular area on left boot. liners molded once. 300-400 range?

[neufox47]

Any consensus on what a used pair of vulcans is worth? Purchased in the spring, about 40+ days, single punch at navicular area on left boot. liners molded once. 300-400 range?

$400 seems fair. Almost "new" pairs going for $600-$650. What size?

5 Days on my Vulcans, cut out the stupid thing at the top of my foot and the fit is 100 times better. That stupid thing was making my feet go numb. Will see how the liner holds up otherwise I'm going to intuitions. Have my pair that was moled to Titans, but they are power wraps and afraid they will mess up the walk mode. Anyone put power wraps in the Vulcan?

[NoPostholio]

^^^me, and they are awesome - cuts down maybe 25% on walk mode freedom but adds that 25% stiffness to a tongueless and power strapless rig. If you are use to touring with a typical AT boot with PW's you will love the vulcan/PW combo. Took mine out of some quadrants and they fit in vulcans perfect.

The PW's don't limit the ROM, they just stiffen it into something more progressive. It will still move back as far just have to flex the liner with it - no shin or calf bang associated with some big days either.

[kevino]

$400 seems fair. Almost "new" pairs going for $600-$650. What size?

Size 28/28.5. I'd imagine since that is a common boot size they'd move pretty quickly at that price. Thanks.

[Stowelen]

I've got a 27.5 I'd sell for $500, with 15 days total, only 1 day touring, just too big. I would trade for 26.5 used as well.

[retirwntm]

Len,

What size did you end up on the freedoms? How are they working out? I'd consider the 27/.5 but would really need to ski them or another friend that has 27's. I am right on the 26-27 bubble on dynafit and really need to get on them to know for sure.

26.5 zzero4 worked perfectly with a toe punch. 27/.5 TLT5 fit but barely across forefoot and I hated the way the bellows skied. Many I've spoken to have been all over the map on mercury and Vulcan fit.