4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[auvgeek]

^^Love mine mounted at 87 w/FKS using a Full Tilt w/ #10 tongue. It's the nimblest ski in the my quiver, and I use it in tight trees all the time. YMMV and all that. Think 88 might work okay but I would hesitate to have less tip in front of me. Doubt 86 would do it for me though.

Have you printed mount patterns yet? I ask because that really will determine where things line up. FWIW, I generally center the top two holes in the dynafit toepiece between the bottom two FKS holes. Because the RX 130 and TLT5 have a drastically different bsl, I'm not sure where that puts the actual mount point for each boot.

[StopMakingSense]

I think I might be better off with the 88, enjoy the progressive mounts more

[JRainey]

I had my original pair mounted at 90cm and it was awesome for all around skiing, way more nimble, easier to get a tighter carve going, but wasn't really there in powder unfortunately. Almost totally because of the tip stiffness IMO (no flex no float). My newer pair is at 88 and powder is way better, but it's generally less nimble/fun in normal stuff. Because it's a big trucking, mother fuckin, pow ski, 88cm wins.

To bad the hoji's aren't just a skinnier rennie, I would go 90 there in a heartbeat for a daily driving.

A little off point, but could be useful. I've posted the same info earlier in the thread FWIW.

[Bird Blaster]

Can't wait for these this season...why isn't it the end of November yet?

Stood on them for like 10mins last night. Pumped. But they definitely have lots 'o tail compared to my RP112's.

[whyturn]

^^^^You will be stoked. Charging, fun, easy ski that is just versatile and creative

[iscariot]

Stood on them for like 10mins last night. Pumped. But they definitely have lots 'o tail compared to my RP112's.

Stomp machines. The longer tail is a really good thing. Haven't ridden the Renegades, but I have several pairs of EHP's. I find the more centered mount with a longer tail to be advantageous. It's a pain in the ass to ski with short tails in pow now.

The longer tail makes changing the shape of the turn much easier because the tail doesn't automatically sink behind you. Less drag on the tail. It also keeps you in a more agressive position; instead of the tail sinking, and bringing your body position/weight back compaired to the slope angle, you can charge while maintaining a perpendicular body angle to the slope. I think this is one of the reasons the EHP and Renegade accellerate so quickly: less tail drag.

There is the "over the bars" risk if you pitch your weight violently forward and back, as if you are trying to load up a skinny 200cm race ski from the 80's or 90's. Don't pitch forward and back. And don't bounce turn like you're in Aspen Extreme.

You don't really have to load the ski up. Keep your weight neutral, when the skis load up by themselves, accept that energy and let it pop you up to the snow surface by pulling your legs into your core. Then you rocket even faster and extend your legs into the next turn. Let the skis load up naturally. Repeat until you ski like hoji.

The way that you pull your legs into your core and extend them into the next turn, determines your turn shape, which is pretty much any shape you want.

Eric makes skis that are so fucking FUN to ski, and that will make you ski better due to their inspiring confidence. You feel like superman on these things.

[Bird Blaster]

^^awesome to both above!!!

[DGamms]

I got a pair of 2012 186cm Rens from Gearswap this summer, still unmounted. I was thinking Sollyfit plates for them... pretty heavy for a BC ski, but maybe worth the heavy skin up for the performance on the way down? Anybody out there skin a lot with their Rens?

[JRainey]

Stomp machines. The longer tail is a really good thing. Haven't ridden the Renegades, but I have several pairs of EHP's. I find the more centered mount with a longer tail to be advantageous. It's a pain in the ass to ski with short tails in pow now.

The longer tail makes changing the shape of the turn much easier because the tail doesn't automatically sink behind you. Less drag on the tail. It also keeps you in a more agressive position; instead of the tail sinking, and bringing your body position/weight back compaired to the slope angle, you can charge while maintaining a perpendicular body angle to the slope. I think this is one of the reasons the EHP and Renegade accellerate so quickly: less tail drag.

There is the "over the bars" risk if you pitch your weight violently forward and back, as if you are trying to load up a skinny 200cm race ski from the 80's or 90's. Don't pitch forward and back. And don't bounce turn like you're in Aspen Extreme.

You don't really have to load the ski up. Keep your weight neutral, when the skis load up by themselves, accept that energy and let it pop you up to the snow surface by pulling your legs into your core. Then you rocket even faster and extend your legs into the next turn. Let the skis load up naturally. Repeat until you ski like hoji.

The way that you pull your legs into your core and extend them into the next turn, determines your turn shape, which is pretty much any shape you want.

Eric makes skis that are so fucking FUN to ski, and that will make you ski better due to their inspiring confidence. You feel like superman on these things.

That's making me stoked for winter!

[Bird Blaster]

I got a pair of 2012 186cm Rens from Gearswap this summer, still unmounted. I was thinking Sollyfit plates for them... pretty heavy for a BC ski, but maybe worth the heavy skin up for the performance on the way down? Anybody out there skin a lot with their Rens?

Hoji...

Looking at the same setup. Or just dukes as it will be pretty sidecountry for me. I had some duke/193 EHP's before it was hefty, but not unmanageable.

[Supermoon]

I got a pair of 2012 186cm Rens from Gearswap this summer, still unmounted. I was thinking Sollyfit plates for them... pretty heavy for a BC ski, but maybe worth the heavy skin up for the performance on the way down? Anybody out there skin a lot with their Rens?

Yeah, lots of people skin on them. They aren't really THAT heavy, especially with tech bindings and lighter skins. Then you'll definitely like them on the way down.

They are full reverse camber, though. That's maybe the bigger mitigating factor. Steep, icy skin tracks could be interesting.

[4FRNT]

thought you guys might want to check these out, should be ready for purchase at Backcountry.com in a couple of weeks or so. we only pressed around 20 pairs so look out and get 'em while they're hot.

[auvgeek]

^^ What are those? Hasn't bc.com had the Rens up for a while now? Different topsheet?

[Supermoon]

^^ What are those? Hasn't bc.com had the Rens up for a while now? Different topsheet?

Those are BC.com exclusive top sheets. Goats included.

[bestskieratsnowbird]

close up of the goat!

[Aldburg]

I want one

[Isak.]

After next summer when I have money to spend on a touring setup, I'll maybe (read: definitely) have to pick up some of these bad boys. Until then, I'll just have to be satisfied fapping to pictures of those sexy ass topsheets.

[Caucasian Asian]

The gear purge is on.

I've decided I need to raise funds for a pair of these.

[bestskieratsnowbird]

The gear purge is on.

I've decided I need to raise funds for a pair of these.

you will not be disappointed.

[superdigg]

What a pair of these and some goodies from Jon over at Binding Freedom can result in

[Bird Blaster]

What is your insert spacing (centre-centre). What were your two mounts centered at? ie) 88 and 86cm?

[superdigg]

What is your insert spacing (centre-centre). What were your two mounts centered at? ie) 88 and 86cm?

At worst 14-15mm.

Actually both at 86 TLT5s have a much shorter BSL than my Kryptons (277 vs 296) so it worked. I have skied Rens at 88, 86 and 84 and ended up at 86. Usually ski mine only when it's soft and not necessarily 50 deg+ slopes like Hoji does. I felt I couldn't push when it got slacker at 88. I know they are meant to be skied centered and that's ok when it's steep and you are dropping pillows but i tend to ski a lot of slopes in the 20s and up where I have more fun with a little more forward pressure. At 86 I don't feel like I'm going to stuff a tip

BTW. 186s and me being 176cm and 74kg.

[Caucasian Asian]

I should have listened to D(C) earlier

[BskiP]

Anybody looking for a pair of the original 86s? I have a pair, drilled once for dynafit radicals, in pretty good shape. $375

[D(C)]

I should have listened to D(C) earlier

Knowing the skis you've liked, I think you'll be stoked. Are you going with 186s or 195s?