4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[allTandA]

sorry bout the ya geek!

BTW I am not truly a BIG guy. 6'2" 195 ish. just a lil bigger is all....especially when referencing 186 sized ski designed by a northwoods ripper elf, right?

[Bird Blaster]

I am a bit bigger at 6'2 and 195. Chose the 186 for the reasons that the last couple posters mentioned and why I was considering an 86cm mount.

Again thanks all for the input!

[D(C)]

^^Note that D(C)'s synopsis is actually 88 vs 87 (seems hard to believe 1 cm makes that much difference, but I'll take his word for it).

How big of a "bigger guy" are you, T&A? Be nice if people mentioned their height/weight when offering these types of comparisons. I know D(C) is a smaller guy, but I can't remember his stats.

I'm probably pickier than most...

My stats: 5'8" 170 lbs.

[auvgeek]

Awesome, thanks guys! Didn't meant to come off like a dick, just know that ski preference can differ so much between size, style, etc. I'm 5'11", ~165, and fairly aggressive so I might stay with my original idea of a 87 mount.

Thanks to all for the info!

[allTandA]

auvgeek-- didn't get it that way at all. but a 187 mount might be a bit forward. right?

I would take it to personal perference combined with intended use----> meaning are you a 'center mount type' and do you intend this ski to be unsinkable in 3' of blower? for me it was this that decided. and even though I didn't have a ton of love for the center mount I didn't want to impede the ability of the REN for my desire use, dig....

[|K_M|]

mounts on the 196-

I'm thinking about mounting:
plums @-5 from center (93cms from the tail)
fks 180s @-7 from center (91cms from the tail)

Obviously the plums are going to be for bc skiing, of which there will be more untouched pow- do I have to worry about tip sinkage or anything like that? I'm 6'1 155 so pretty light, but I don't want to be fighting the tips all the way down. The fks mount will be for pure inbounds charging days, which is why I had it further back originally. Should I swap the two (plums at -7, fks at -5), so that in the bc, I'm not as worried about float, and inbounds I have more of the slarvey/quick feeling?

[Mustonen]

I had mine at 88 originally, remouted at 87. I like 87 better - feels a little bit more traditional without giving much up at all in maneuverability.

5'9" 160lb.

[whyturn]

My 186 was at rec -5. Only issue I had was setup sierra cement. Everthing else (including groomers), utah blower was insane, drifty and floaty.
6'2 175

[whyturn]

196 at BC.com for $640 is sweet. I preordered mine figuring powder would be here by now. Will try then at Baker and whistler now. But build quality, indie and shape are great

[Bird Blaster]

Question for 4FRNT

I finally noticed (clearly it isn't a big deal...) but I bought skis this year with a birth date of Nov 16th, 2011 No.573 and they have the old top sheet (crow at the bottom vs trees) with the newer bases (orange tips). Is this because there were extra "older-style" top-sheets kicking around? just curious

[4FRNT]

Question for 4FRNT

I finally noticed (clearly it isn't a big deal...) but I bought skis this year with a birth date of Nov 16th, 2011 No.573 and they have the old top sheet (crow at the bottom vs trees) with the newer bases (orange tips). Is this because there were extra "older-style" top-sheets kicking around? just curious

Yeah, we actually had to re-press a handful of skis this summer after we had some minor base issues (the orange in the tip was only on the surface of the material for some of the skis, so when we ran them through the base finisher, some of the white showed through). We had some extra topsheets from last year laying around, and used those instead of incurring further delays.

[Bird Blaster]

Yeah, we actually had to re-press a handful of skis this summer after we had some minor base issues (the orange in the tip was only on the surface of the material for some of the skis, so when we ran them through the base finisher, some of the white showed through). We had some extra topsheets from last year laying around, and used those instead of incurring further delays.

Awesome! Thanks

[ZekeWolf]

What Skins are you using for your 196 Renegades?

[whyturn]

I liked clips and weight of G3 and were on some sales lately

[|K_M|]

mounts on the 196-

I'm thinking about mounting:
plums @-5 from center (93cms from the tail)
fks 180s @-7 from center (91cms from the tail)

Obviously the plums are going to be for bc skiing, of which there will be more untouched pow- do I have to worry about tip sinkage or anything like that? I'm 6'1 155 so pretty light, but I don't want to be fighting the tips all the way down. The fks mount will be for pure inbounds charging days, which is why I had it further back originally. Should I swap the two (plums at -7, fks at -5), so that in the bc, I'm not as worried about float, and inbounds I have more of the slarvey/quick feeling?

Anyone got input? I'm a lanky mother fucker, 6'1 155 so I don't think float will be as big of an issue- ill be touring for the goods, and skiing these inbounds as days when I want to charge- should I go fks at -7 and plums at -5? thats kinda what im thinking now....not really sure, input would be nice!

[4FRNT]

Anyone got input? I'm a lanky mother fucker, 6'1 155 so I don't think float will be as big of an issue- ill be touring for the goods, and skiing these inbounds as days when I want to charge- should I go fks at -7 and plums at -5? thats kinda what im thinking now....not really sure, input would be nice!

I think you'd be ok float-wise with the Plums at -5, but we do recommend mounting at -6 for your best all-around skiing. I know that may not be possible if you want two sets of holes...

[|K_M|]

I think you'd be ok float-wise with the Plums at -5, but we do recommend mounting at -6 for your best all-around skiing. I know that may not be possible if you want two sets of holes...

I'm trying to get both of the mounts as close to that as possible, I just think I'll go with plums in front of it and fks behind. Thanks for the help!

[auvgeek]

K_M, have you seen the new DynaLook plate from bindingfreedom? Might be the answer to all your woes. I personally take off the heel plate for touring and mount the heel directly to the ski. Saves weight and eliminates the ramp angle of the tech binder.

[|K_M|]

K_M, have you seen the new DynaLook plate from bindingfreedom? Might be the answer to all your woes. I personally take off the heel plate for touring and mount the heel directly to the ski. Saves weight and eliminates the ramp angle of the tech binder.

Yeah I have, but after printing off the paper templates and comparing them it doesn't look like it'll be too hard, and I don't really want to purchase and mount the plates- great idea though.

[mntlion]

4frnt: are the hoji samples/demos made in the elan factory, or in SLC? any planed changes from sample to the production version?

[undertow2]

mntlion - not sure about any changes from sample to production, but I am 99.9999% sure the Hoji is going to be made in the Elan factory and only the Renegade will be built in the Whiteroom...

[mntlion]

mntlion - not sure about any changes from sample to production, but I am 99.9999% sure the Hoji is going to be made in the Elan factory and only the Renegade will be built in the Whiteroom...

yup, I agree, thats what I have heard too.

what I want to know is where the samples, current demos are made.

[otto parts]

Mtlion-sure 4frnt will confirm but I was told the wood sidewall protos were SLC, later demos had reg sidewalls and Elan.

Other owners-have a pair of the 186 11/12s that I thought were supposed to have a bit more tip rise than the 10/11s. Mine have a bit more curve but actual rise the same.

Can anybody else confirm theirs has 2.5" of tip height (floor to ptex)?

[whyturn]

196 rip it, pow, steeps, trees and GS groomers
-6 rocks it, well done 4frnt

[4FRNT]

4frnt: are the hoji samples/demos made in the elan factory, or in SLC? any planed changes from sample to the production version?

All of the samples/demos of the HOJI will come from the Elan factory, as well as all of the production HOJIs. Renegades will stay entirely in the White Room.

There is some talk of making the HOJI marginally stiffer than the samples we got, but I can't really confirm either way at this point. My guess is that we won't make any flex changes until next year.