4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[SupreChicken]

also, Dudelepowski.

Any time on the new ones yet? Do they float better? Are they more nimble?

[auvgeek]

Anyone else that can write about the comparison between the 2010s and the 2012s/13s?

Interested in this as well. Thinking about buying a back-up pair myself.

[whyturn]

I had first year 186 and still have second year 196. I was in knee deep at mammoth and made turns at super fast speed right before a tree that were knee saving. Can't comment on 12/13 but every year has been better for me. Just buy them you will thank me later

[DudeLebowSKI]

also, Dudelepowski.

Any time on the new ones yet? Do they float better? Are they more nimble?

I only have one non-powder day on the ren3's. Not sure if they float better but if I had been blind folded I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in how they ski on chopped firm snow. Both pairs are mounted at 86cm straight pull from tail.

[Adrider83]

Maybe this is common sense, because it is a soft snow ski, but am I the only person that really doesn't enjoy riding this ski in firm chop? I find really unconfident when the snow is bumpy and firm- chundery. Don't get me wrong- if you're on your game, you can ski this thing great in firm snow- but if you're low on the energy- you'd better keep it slow on this thing in firm snow, or it'll let you know. Does anyone else feel that way?

Also, I've found that in those situations where you lose the confidence and get on the tails, this ski definite lets you know. You cannot ride the tails through junk on this thing, I've found. Maybe I should be doing something differently?

Soft snow, obiviously this Ren kicks butt and is a real bullet if you want it to be.

[DudeLebowSKI]

Maybe this is common sense, because it is a soft snow ski, but am I the only person that really doesn't enjoy riding this ski in firm chop? I find really unconfident when the snow is bumpy and firm- chundery. Don't get me wrong- if you're on your game, you can ski this thing great in firm snow- but if you're low on the energy- you'd better keep it slow on this thing in firm snow, or it'll let you know. Does anyone else feel that way?

Also, I've found that in those situations where you lose the confidence and get on the tails, this ski definite lets you know. You cannot ride the tails through junk on this thing, I've found. Maybe I should be doing something differently?

Soft snow, obiviously this Ren kicks butt and is a real bullet if you want it to be.

In my experience with my quiver it's all what you get used to. In the last 3 seasons, I have skied the Renegades 99% of the time regardless of conditions. I don't even really think about what they are and are not good for. I've noticed if I use different skis, I just notice different but equal performance limitations. For example, last season on a hard pack day, I decided to bring out my Folsom Johnny C's. Did they feel a bit more appropriate carving on ice? Yes. Were they lighter and easier to ski? Yes. Could I power slide to bleed speed on steep, chalky, hardpack leading into a a rocky couloir bottleneck? Kinda, not really, tails are grabby......no.

It can't be denied that each ski has it's own pros and cons. I do believe that the Rens could be a 1 ski quiver but that doesn't mean the are the best at everything.

[whyturn]

The more a ski is a charger the more it will punish the weak. Anyday you can walk away is a good day and you need to know yourself enough to know when to walk away

[North]

Don't get me wrong- if you're on your game, you can ski this thing great in firm snow- but if you're low on the energy- you'd better keep it slow on this thing in firm snow, or it'll let you know.

I've only skied a handful of days on my Rens, and only on firm groomers and semi-firm bumps because Colorado is being a cruel bitch this year...BUT in those conditions I'd agree with what you said above. This ski has a smaller sweet spot than most (on hardpack), and it's all rainbows and unicorns when you're on it, and less so when you're not. Works for some, and not for others.

I'd expect the sweet spot to increase once these hit soft snow (like most skis at 110mm waist or more), but for now I'm psyched that the skis I bought specifically for AK have me skiing with more confidence at speed than ever. I wouldn't characterize myself as a "charger" by default, but the stability provided by the Rens encourages speed without demanding it.

Maybe I should be doing something differently?

Stay centered. Stay on it.

[Adrider83]

I will say...it is actually a lot of fun on the groomers...super easy ride...I guess the firm variable is what throws me off when I'm tired...cause it's stiff, wide and small sweet spot on firm chop.

[turkeyUP]

Next years ren. Topsheets look awesome yet again.

[Mustonen]

Construction looks a little different?

[bestskieratsnowbird]

Construction looks a little different?

semi-cap construction as in the hoji/yle. still white room.

[gaijin]

semi-cap construction as in the hoji/yle. still white room.

As in sidewalls too?

[bestskieratsnowbird]

As in sidewalls too?

it's a full sidewall just with a small dimple around the topsheet that helps to eliminate chipping and shave a little weight. should have said "mini" cap and not "semi". same exact design as the hoji and YLE are using, after being on the hoji all season so far i am impressed.

[allTandA]

^^^janky looking bindings tho.



new silverettas??

[gaijin]

it's a full sidewall just with a small dimple around the topsheet that helps to eliminate chipping and shave a little weight. should have said "mini" cap and not "semi". same exact design as the hoji and YLE are using, after being on the hoji all season so far i am impressed.

The no-sidewall of HALS construction was a huge factor in my purchase decision for my '13s. The ski is still going to break in, but that bond between core and sidewall does't exist to break down.

I'm not a ski builder, and I'm sure 4FRNT has their reasoning- I'd love to hear it. But damn, this is not music to my ears. I am so ecstatic to have my core run wall-to-wall. Maybe time will change my mind. I'm always willing to be wrong.

Cue the following:
"It's a non-issue regarding performance."
"Plastic takes more abuse."
"Time to hoard 12/13s"
"We couldn't keep up with demand, so we changed the build layup so production could be moved to a more suitable facility."

Gawd, I hope I'm wrong.

[bestskieratsnowbird]

The no-sidewall of HALS construction was a huge factor in my purchase decision for my '13s. The ski is still going to break in, but that bond between core and sidewall does't exist to break down.

I'm not a ski builder, and I'm sure 4FRNT has their reasoning- I'd love to hear it. But damn, this is not music to my ears. I am so ecstatic to have my core run wall-to-wall. Maybe time will change my mind. I'm always willing to be wrong.

Cue the following:
"It's a non-issue regarding performance."
"Plastic takes more abuse."
"Time to hoard 12/13s"
"We couldn't keep up with demand, so we changed the build layup so production could be moved to a more suitable facility."

Gawd, I hope I'm wrong.

still whiteroom as i said dude. no change from wood core etc, as far as i know the layup goes unchanged. core still runs wall to wall as far as i know. you're thinking too much, calm down.

[gaijin]

I do that. Thanks. But you said Construction is the same as YLE and Hoji, which are not HALS wall to wall cores. A simple knocking down of the topsheet edge is welcomed.

SERENITY NOW! for the calming down of my panic attack.

[bestskieratsnowbird]

^^^janky looking bindings tho.



new silverettas??

dynafit beasts.

[bestskieratsnowbird]

i'll see if i can get someone who knows full details to chime in here now that pictures are up. till then i am keeping my mouth shut because i don't want to cause any more confusion!

[DudeLebowSKI]

Love the Renegade but man am I glad that I didn't wait for the new graphic. Just my opinion. As for the sidewall edging, looks awesome. Maybe I'll take a sander to mine to see if I can replicate it slightly.

[otto parts]

Bestskier- you're already in the soup, dood- any dimension or rocker changes?

And the fukn crows still rule.

Dude, how did they work for you in Haines? I pussed and went with 138s again.

[DudeLebowSKI]

Bestskier- you're already in the soup, dood- any dimension or rocker changes?

And the fukn crows still rule.

Dude, how did they work for you in Haines? I pussed and went with 138s again.

They were fantasic in Haines. I still maintain that for deep days on less steep lines there are better tools. Floatation seems to be more of a factor on more moderate slope angles. That being said, I don't want 4FRNT to change the Ren one bit rather build a new model pow ski dedicated to the less god-like skiers. Kinda like a reverse Hoji project. Same basic shape but scaled up slightly, same reverse camber profile and a slightly softer front end? Pretty please?

[40footer]

The rocker will still be the same as 12/13 at this point in production

[40footer]

The no-sidewall of HALS construction was a huge factor in my purchase decision for my '13s. The ski is still going to break in, but that bond between core and sidewall does't exist to break down.

I'm not a ski builder, and I'm sure 4FRNT has their reasoning- I'd love to hear it. But damn, this is not music to my ears. I am so ecstatic to have my core run wall-to-wall. Maybe time will change my mind. I'm always willing to be wrong.

Cue the following:
"It's a non-issue regarding performance."
"Plastic takes more abuse."
"Time to hoard 12/13s"
"We couldn't keep up with demand, so we changed the build layup so production could be moved to a more suitable facility."

Gawd, I hope I'm wrong.

yup you are wrong