"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide

[woodstocksez]

Yeah I won't spout any scientific bullshit but I do know one thing for a fact: zealots and true believers are always wrong. [edit: or if they are right it is purely by chance] That's all I got, that and a belief in moderation in all things as the only sane choice because so much remains unknown. Nobody knows enough about almost anything to know that they are correct. We don't even have any idea, no conception at all, none, of what remains to be known. Only zealots and true believers and sheep have the belief system necessary to take what the Jesuits used to tell us was "the leap of faith".

Wanna Oreo?

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iceman: the truth is out there.

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And, as usual, Spats has discovered it, to share with us all. Shocker.

I'm firmly in the Iceman camp.

[advres]

Spats...

I know you don't usually eat breakfast but Tim suggests you eat at least 30g of protein within 30 minutes of waking to get your body going the right way to increase fat loss throughout the day. So I have been upping my morning intake to 46g of protein 25g of which are from whey protein.

Just wondering what your thoughts are about whey and this practice of eating a lot or protein in the morning to increase fat loss.

Thanks

[MultiVerse]

White rice is the least bad of the grains, containing the least anti-nutrients and metabolic disruptors.

Perhaps the least controversial aspect of the Paleo diet is the dramatic reduction or even elimination in some cases of High GI foods like refined sugars, it's a very good recommendation. Plus, it's hard to argue with upgrading the quality of your calories and reducing carbohydrate intake.

More controversial, however, is the recommended elimination of grains due to their anti-nutrients. For example, even though brown rice does contain Phytic Acid which binds to important minerals such as calcium, magnesium, iron, and zinc thereby potentially leading to mineral deficiencies; brown rice also contains some of these minerals while white rice does not, meaning there is net gain with some minerals. Phytic acid can also function as an localized digestive tract antioxident/antibiotic with studies demonstrating positive benefits from its consumption.

Significantly, a recent Harvard Study showed that, "replacing intake of white rice with the same amount of brown rice was associated with a 16% (lower risk of type 2 diabetes, whereas the same replacement with whole grains as a group was associated with a 36% lower diabetes risk." In other words, in moderation, eating brown rice instead of white rice can significantly lower a persons diabetes risk and the risk is lowered even further when whole grains are added to the mix. Too much, however, means too much Phytic acid which can lead to mineral deficiencies.

There are also foods that are much more nutrient rich than brown rice and whole grains, but brown rice and whole grains (except in the presence of allergic reactions) are still a net positive when consumed in moderate amounts.

[iceman]

What kind of amounts was that again?

[MultiVerse]

What kind of amounts was that again?

With the Harvard Study a serving is a half cup of cooked rice or a quarter cup uncooked. According to the research, eating a serving of white rice five times a weak increases a persons chances of getting Type 2 diabetes by 20% while replacing white rice with brown rice decreases a persons chances by 16%, and eating a couple of servings of brown rice a week decreases a persons chances by 10% over people who rarely or occasionally eat rice.

[Rontele]

Actually, iceman believes in eating like the omnivore he is and that we have both canine teeth and molars for a reason. But he's not trying to sell it to anybody.

omnivore = meats, fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds. Sounds fairly paleo to me*

*I did just have a mini DQ Oreo Blizzard and it was fucking awesome.

[jon turner]

omnivore = meats, fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds. Sounds fairly paleo to me*

*I did just have a mini DQ Oreo Blizzard and it was fucking awesome.

damn you. I have to go to DQ now. That sounds really good.

Edit to add: they are better made with chocolate ice cream.

[iceman]

Omnivorous-ness is not restricted to just those foods, counselor. It means you can eat anything that won't kill you right off the bat. Except oysters and raw clams, 'cause they nasssty.

[Åsgard]

My head hurts...damn Sweeds can't make Vodka fer shit...however, that has nothing to do with it.

Ever since I ran out of brontosaures burgers and now have to shot my dogs up with teh purest grade insulin 2 x a day in recompse...I feel shame.

[Lurch]

Omnivorous-ness is not restricted to just those foods, counselor. It means you can eat anything that won't kill you right off the bat. Except oysters and raw clams, 'cause they nasssty.

Raw oysters and clams are the staff of life. I'm ging to make a new hipster diet that revolve around them.

[splat]

Here's some food for thought...


http://www.organicconsumers.org/arti...icle_22449.cfm

[abraham]

Actually, iceman believes in eating like the omnivore he is and that we have both canine teeth and molars for a reason. But he's not trying to sell it to anybody.

Im going to claim that idea as my own and write a book about it. Someday with a bit of marketing it will get picked up and become popular. Then you'll regret that last bit!

[geomorph]

I'll admit I was pretty sedimentary this fall.

I'd recommend taking some igneous petrology and/or mineralogy to rectify that.

[surrender_monkey]

if you want to lose weight,the no bread no beer diet works.

if you want to live a long time,eat like an okinawan, lots of rice and a little fish.

if you want to clog your arteries with saturated fat ,increase your risk of cancer,and die young,eat like spats

[iceman]

Im going to claim that idea as my own and write a book about it. Someday with a bit of marketing it will get picked up and become popular. Then you'll regret that last bit!

D'oh!

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[iceman]

I'd recommend taking some igneous petrology and/or mineralogy to rectify that.

Dude you rock.

[BCMtnHound]

Maybe I've missed it in all the links posted here, but does anyone have some science to offer on the benefit/risk of sprouted grains in one's diet?

[iceman]

This morning I was thinking about how humans evolved for millions of years eating meat without refrigeration. A generally-accepted picture of paleolithic life includes people living in small groups and hunting large game. As a result, rotten, even severely rotten, meat must have been a large part of their diet. Surely it must have been anathema to abandon food, regardless of its condition, because it was so hard and often dangerous to get it in the first place. But there's only so much mastodon you can eat at a sitting. And after a week or so...well, the mastodon stew must have been pretty pungent.

Perhaps through consumption of rotted meat over thousands of geerations the bacteria and/or their byproducts became essential to true and complete health. Why not? We eat lots of rotten foods already (cheese, anyone?), and the Inuit, the Icelandic, the Japanese, Chinese and Korean peoples (just off the top of my head - there must be many more) all retain a taste for well-rotted foods to this day. So get cracking you guys, go for the stank! if you want to go Paleo, go really Paleo. Let us know how it works out.

[bagtagley]

Aren't EPA and DHA supplements extracted from algae using Hexane?

[Rontele]

This morning I was thinking about how humans evolved for millions of years eating meat without refrigeration. A generally-accepted picture of paleolithic life includes people living in small groups and hunting large game. As a result, rotten, even severely rotten, meat must have been a large part of their diet. Surely it must have been anathema to abandon food, regardless of its condition, because it was so hard and often dangerous to get it in the first place. But there's only so much mastodon you can eat at a sitting. And after a week or so...well, the mastodon stew must have been pretty pungent.

Perhaps through consumption of rotted meat over thousands of geerations the bacteria and/or their byproducts became essential to true and complete health. Why not? We eat lots of rotten foods already (cheese, anyone?), and the Inuit, the Icelandic, the Japanese, Chinese and Korean peoples (just off the top of my head - there must be many more) all retain a taste for well-rotted foods to this day. So get cracking you guys, go for the stank! if you want to go Paleo, go really Paleo. Let us know how it works out.

This is actually a really good point, ice. Its hard to say you are "paleo" if you live in a house someone else built, drive a car to a grocery store to purchase food (rather than hunt or scavenge yourself). My view on things is that I know how our ancestors used to eat and given a realistic approach, i try to mirror that as much as possible.

[iceman]

Just wondering, Mr. Tele, does the physical record that has survived to this time indicate anything in particular about the general health and well-being of the people of that era? Or is there just not enough concrete evidence to draw conclusions?

[Rontele]

Just wondering, Mr. Tele, does the physical record that has survived to this time indicate anything in particular about the general health and well-being of the people of that era? Or is there just not enough concrete evidence to draw conclusions?

I don't need a historical record to confirm results (weren't you born in the Paleolithic era anyways? ) It works for me. Since I have started eating "paleo," I have lost gross 40lbs, lowered chlosterol, leaned out substantially, sleep better, have more energy and do not have lingering stomach issues.

[woodstocksez]

This is actually a really good point, ice. Its hard to say you are "paleo" if you live in a house someone else built, drive a car to a grocery store to purchase food (rather than hunt or scavenge yourself). My view on things is that I know how our ancestors used to eat and given a realistic approach, i try to mirror that as much as possible.

But why? This gets to a basic thought I have about what I understand at least part of the argument for paleo to be. (And I admit I know very little about nutrition - much less than many posting in this thread ... including Spats. I'll also say that eating paleo sounds pretty good to me, from the perspective of what I find appealing to eat.) It's what I thought when reading the comment above regarding evolution of our diet, which is that, more importantly, we've evolved in all sorts of aspects. You appreciate living in a house and getting around in a car, I assume, rather than living as our ancestors did in those regards, but for some reason you assume our ancestors had it just right in terms of diet? I don't understand that. Maybe they did, but I'll believe that because our current understanding of nutrition suggests that is so, rather than just because it's "natural."

[bagtagley]

Paleo guys didn't have a cupboard full of crap to contend with. You think they would have stuck with their rotten meat if they had delicious snacks at their fingertips? Psh! I'll say this, if you have a wife and kids and can religiously stick with this thing, I commend you. Me, I'm not gonna give that fresh loaf of French bread the satisfaction of not being slathered in butter and immensely enjoyed. I don't claim it's good for me, but my weight is under control and life is too short not to eat pizza.

[iceman]

Rontele: I was't trying to make a point, I was just wonderig if there was any historical evidence either way. Certainly personal experience is a reasonable basis upon which to base decisions.

heh, "life is too short not to eat pizza" about sums up my position too.