Help - Bro's too long

[Chowda]

Nothing you buy will make tailgunning panic turns in deep trees easier on your knees. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but if it is you need to stop that. Getting on a rockered ski (tip) will help with confidence and turn ability, but only if you stay forward on the ski.

[Buke]

I think that it's kind of funny that every post has tried to convince you that the ski isn't the problem. I wonder what kind of response you would have gotten if you had said that the ski was a Rossignol or Atomic? Of course, they're all correct. I ski 183 stiffs and I think it's possibly the best ski ever made.

However, my experience on the 183 Bro's is that they aren't the most forgiving ski when your technique breaks down. That's been good for me because it's become really obvious when I screw up and that has made me a better skier. More than anything, the skis don't put up with skiing in the backseat. As long as my hands are forward and I'm balanced then things are good, as soon as I drop my hands and get in the backseat, I'm screwed.

Focus on that technique and make sure it's the ski and not you before investing more money. If you're sitting in the back seat too much (even in powder), you're likely to be frustrated or strained even in a rocker or more floaty ski.

I think this is the best advice so far. Those aren't cheap skis and there are a lot of people that love them. You don't have to love them but unless you're made of money make sure that you're not the problem.

[johngenx]

I'm a shitty powder skier. Okay, I suck regardless of conditions. I have a new powder set up this year, a pair of G3 Manhattans. Pretty generous early rise tip on them, which has done one thing for me: given me the confidence to get the fuck out of the backseat and finally take the wheel. I love the early rise, but it's my lack of technique that I really need to deal with. The benefit of the early rise is in inspiring some confidence.

The new skis and some coaching in the soft stuff has helped me a lot. It's been said every post, but technique is the key. I went skiing a last springs with a 5'1" 110lbs woman that was on BRO192s and she skied everything on them. Open bowls and tight trees. She's a damned fine skier and could turn those skis on a dime.

[1000-oaks]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

If you're willing to go that short, for pow days I highly recommend trying a pair of 175 Sumo's, mounted 4cm back from the line. (The line is waaaaay forward compared to 190 Sumos, mounted my 175s at -5 based on the center of the running length.)

They're a traditional shape and will do just fine on the groomers (other than being slow edge to edge), but are very light for their size, especially the 2008 wrestler graphic model. They're super fat and quite soft, and basically drop into a rockered ski shape the second you get into deep snow. At 165 lbs the amount of pop out of pow turns is amazing, I've never been on something so maneuverable in tight trees. Put my Pontoons on eBay soon as I got home after the first day on the Sumos, and ordered a pair of 190 Sumos for more stability at speed. (Wish they had something in between the 175 and the 190, but the 190s work fine if you let them run.)

[stuckathuntermtn]

I think that it's kind of funny that every post has tried to convince you that the ski isn't the problem. I wonder what kind of response you would have gotten if you had said that the ski was a Rossignol or Atomic? Of course, they're all correct. I ski 183 stiffs and I think it's possibly the best ski ever made.

However, my experience on the 183 Bro's is that they aren't the most forgiving ski when your technique breaks down. That's been good for me because it's become really obvious when I screw up and that has made me a better skier. More than anything, the skis don't put up with skiing in the backseat. As long as my hands are forward and I'm balanced then things are good, as soon as I drop my hands and get in the backseat, I'm screwed.



I think this is the best advice so far. Those aren't cheap skis and there are a lot of people that love them. You don't have to love them but unless you're made of money make sure that you're not the problem.

I said that in the end, it might not be the right ski. However, when he's talking about getting torque on his knees, that indicates there is something wrong with the pilot.

[payote]

More than anything, the skis don't put up with skiing in the backseat. As long as my hands are forward and I'm balanced then things are good, as soon as I drop my hands and get in the backseat, I'm screwed

^This about sums it up for me.

I had a good day with them this morning, focused on staying forward and they powered through the variable conditions of powder with occasional ice and crud at unexpected moments. I'm getting on board with the challenge of learning to ski these puppies properly.

That said, I have the opportunity to make a switch to Dynafit on a 176 Gotama (07-08) for neutral cash. With a non-rockered Got at that length am I going to be in the same boat anyway? Would they be any more forgiving when I inevitably do end up in the backseat?

p.s. thanks for the quality input after a slow, yet humorous, start.

[plugboots]

It ain't the horse it's the cowboy. Stick with the bros.

[splat]

The new skis and some coaching in the soft stuff has helped me a lot. It's been said every post, but technique is the key. I went skiing a last springs with a 5'1" 110lbs woman that was on BRO192s and she skied everything on them. Open bowls and tight trees. She's a damned fine skier and could turn those skis on a dime.

Tell her to drop me a line!

[liv2ski]

^This about sums it up for me.

I had a good day with them this morning, focused on staying forward and they powered through the variable conditions of powder with occasional ice and crud at unexpected moments. I'm getting on board with the challenge of learning to ski these puppies properly.

That said, I have the opportunity to make a switch to Dynafit on a 176 Gotama (07-08) for neutral cash. With a non-rockered Got at that length am I going to be in the same boat anyway? Would they be any more forgiving when I inevitably do end up in the backseat?

p.s. thanks for the quality input after a slow, yet humorous, start.

This is TGR, you know you have to hear shit to get to the goods. anyways, do you wants Dynafit bindings, do you have the right boots? If no, fuck it and stick with the Bros as some nice boots will set you back $$ and the length difference is what, 2 inches, one forward and one at the tail, so BFD in my simple mind. We are the same height and I have no issues with my 183s, but they are my everyday ski, not my powder ski. For light pow I use 190 Back County's. For the deep stuff, 196 Lhasa Pows, but I weight 200lbs the Bros were money from the first few runs on them. They ended up replacing some Dynastar Skis I loved, because they made a wider variety of turn sizes, were better in bumps and have more pop to them, as the Dstars are just sic damp skis. Again, it is likely the driver, not the ski. At Mammoth you can take workshop lessons for cheap. It is typically me and one other person or sometimes is a private for 2.5 hours for $130+tip. I started taking one a month this year and it has made a big difference so far this season.