Help - Bro's too long

[Like a Boss]

Dynastar Polar Bear Limited Editions... definitely.

I found these ski really well mounted at +2. But I heard Seth Morrison skis them at +4...

[oftpiste]

remount at -6

[Crampedon]

remount at -6

Ho Bra, what at , -6? For real? but you would be....just.... standing, in.... the snow....in yer booties!

Oh...

[oftpiste]

Ho Bra, what at , -6? For real? but you would be....just.... standing, in.... the snow....in yer booties!

Oh...

Dunno. Just a guess that if he's +3 right now and can't turn 'em......

Never skied them but +3 seems like it would be way too forward for that ski.

[hutash]

I don't know about the US Bro 183s, but the euro version are best mounted +3mm, not +3cm. At +3cm I would think the ski would have some issues, like falling on your face with every turn.

Like I said earlier, either a bad mount or a bad skier.

[jgb@etree]

First I'm going to try to find a buyer who's not as cheap as all the bastards in here.

I'll give you $20 for 'em - shipped.

[Chowda]

First I'm going to try to find a buyer who's not as cheap as all the bastards in here.

I doubt you'll find a better market for that ski elsewhere.

[ecskier7]

I am 5'9 155 and ski A 183 and love them even in the EC trees.

[Porrick]

Line Profit 100 or 115 in a 179 might work for you...

[counterfeitfake]

I'm pretty sure 50% of the skis reviewed here have been Gotamas.

Definitely steer clear of the Verdicts.

[payote]

Definitely steer clear of the Verdicts.

Any reason?

[whacked]

It's probably the mount: +3cm is too far forward, especially given that they are short.

It might be the bases: Do they feel squirrelly, as though each ski wants to do its own thing? Have a shop check the bases with a true bar.

I got my 174 Softs stone ground and they dramatically improved. Mounted on boot center.

[stuckathuntermtn]

He wrote +3 millimeters. The problem is you. If they're torquing your knee, you're not doing right.

[Jethro]

Hey, don't knock that ski! My wife loves hers.

[payote]

They're not +3cm, they're +3mm which is how they came marked from PMGear.

I find I'm really in the backseat in deep snow to keep the tips from diving and that makes them hard to bring around, and also puts a lot of stress on my knees. It's possible I could move them back a bit, but really, the line is already quite far back. Most likely it's just me, I need a ski that's more manageable at moderate speeds instead of the high speed sweet spot the Bros seem to have.

[LightRanger]

They're not +3cm, they're +3mm which is how they came marked from PMGear.

I find I'm really in the backseat in deep snow to keep the tips from diving and that makes them hard to bring around, and also puts a lot of stress on my knees. It's possible I could move them back a bit, but really, the line is already quite far back. Most likely it's just me, I need a ski that's more manageable at moderate speeds instead of the high speed sweet spot the Bros seem to have.

Verdicts are probably going to be tougher for you than soft Bros, given your description there.

I would consider something softer like the 178cm S3 (or 186 because it's rockered on both ends). The new 179 Lhasa might work for you, given the size/shape.

G3s seems like they might work too, although I don't know a ton about their current lineup.

180 Praxis Backcountrys.

Salomon Czars in the appropriate length.

Etc.

Basically go for something relatively soft, similar in length to the Bros you're giving up, but with rocker on at least the front end.

Or sack up.

[liv2ski]

They're not +3cm, they're +3mm which is how they came marked from PMGear.

I find I'm really in the backseat in deep snow to keep the tips from diving and that makes them hard to bring around, and also puts a lot of stress on my knees. It's possible I could move them back a bit, but really, the line is already quite far back. Most likely it's just me, I need a ski that's more manageable at moderate speeds instead of the high speed sweet spot the Bros seem to have.

Payote, the 183 isn't a deep pow ski. Granted your a hell of a lot lighter than me, but still for deep pow you need something wider and likely a bit longer. The 183 is more of an everyday ski and I use it up to about 6 inches of powder. I found that I can make pretty much any turn radius I want on them (as in tight) so you don't need to go super fast on them. Just use it as an everyday ski, not a powder ski. And ya, maybe some lessons would help. I just took one last week and it helped a bunch.

Edit: if you want to sell them, put them in Gear Swap. I bought mine in pretty mint condition with some ok bindings for $300 as a FYI.

[payote]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

[DoWork]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

Honestly, if you're in the back seat trying to plane them, and want something with a little more float that's more playful in the fresh, get the 183 FAT BRO. I have both versions and can tell you it's a very different animal. VERY playful and easy to toss around in pow because of the extra width and tip rocker. Last weekend I forgot my good boots at home and so skied trees all day on them with uber-low-cuff 55 flex rental boots with no real driving issues or complaints whatsoever. Great ski and MUCH more manageable in the fresh than my traditional 183s. Just a thought.

[mwthomsen]

If you think it is the ski not floating to the top that is causing you to get in the backseat than maybe you should consider a Lhasa in a 179 or 186. I would characterize my 183 as blowing through stuff rather than a surfer. If you tend to ski in the backseat get a lesson or try shimming the toes of your binders a few mm.

[stuckathuntermtn]

just to add (now I'm gonna sound like a gaper).
I have 1st gen Enforcers in a 185. I'm 6' and 180. Yeah, I get in the back seat sometimes, I'm working on it, my toe nail is getting bruised (also from icy moguls and traverses). If you get going a little, the tips pop right up. Now, I don't think a "soft" Bro's tips are as soft, let alone as big as the Nordica's, but the idea is the same, and at your height/weight, they should pop right up.
You can put your weight in your heals to smear turns in powder, but you gotta keep your shins pressed against the front of the boot.
Also, like I was telling the other guy: what boots do you have? Maybe their not stiff/forward enough?
Also, torquing your knee sounds to me like you're trying to turn the skis with you're upper body.

Now, in the end, it may still not be the right ski for you. That's always possible.

[payote]

I'm on Garmont Adrenalin.

I think a lesson would be in order for sure, it's been a very long time.

[LightRanger]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

Skip the El H. Not because it's too stiff, but because it's not rockered.

Tonic might work.

Skip the Saint and definitely the Kilowatt.

176 Got sounds good.

Note the trend of the recommendations... both mine, and others.

[Skirotica]

This thread is gold. Solid gold.

edit: er, it was on page 1. Then it got legit.

Focus on that technique and make sure it's the ski and not you before investing more money. If you're sitting in the back seat too much (even in powder), you're likely to be frustrated or strained even in a rocker or more floaty ski.

[payote]

S
176 Got sounds good.

Only rockered Gots?