Running, Anyone...?

[ilikecandy]

missed my long run (18) this weekend b/c the wife was sick. Should I run it in the dark (and potential rain) tonight or is that just asking for trouble? Have bumble-bee vest/lights....

dark - why not? always run facing traffic

as for rain, dont do 18, do 3x6

[Tuckerman]

That wouldn't even cover me for the 2 hours before the race. 1 hr before the speedgoat start I was putting down 6 eggs, 4oz of sausage, 1 banana and 2 apricots. I was already eating something again barely more than an hour in.

Fuck dood thats a ton of food, good for you. I eat an everything beagle with organic PB and a fruit flavored gel on top about two or so hours pre race.

[OldLarry]

dark - why not? always run facing traffic

as for rain, dont do 18, do 3x6

oh I dunno, just curvy, hilly, wet, dark roads make me a tad nervous.

[XtrPickels]

Running at night is my preferred time
and curvy hilly wet dark roads sound like a good time

[ilikecandy]

oh I dunno, just curvy, hilly, wet, dark roads make me a tad nervous.

i get that but i guess im saying that you should always be ready for a car to try to hit you, regardless of weather. if the weather is capable of making your run more dangerous, then you werent being safe enough in the first place. you should only rely on yourself to get out of the way, not the other way around. i dont really change anything in dark/rain/snow except my awareness of whats around me. just my opinion though, your own feeling of your safety is number 1, but getting out there is number 2

[OldLarry]

I guess part of my debate is how much it will hurt my training to miss one of my long runs or how bad it would be if they are too close together (next sat is supposed to be 12 mi). Race is Oct 17th.

[shroom]

i took a hit last week running my normal route in broad daylight. the percentage of people who dont even look forward or right when turning right at a stop sign, let alone stop, is ridiculous. the bitch didnt even stop. im pretty lucky im athletic and was aware enough to seeit coming and spin off of her hood. paranoia setting in...

[Tectonically_Neglected]

I guess part of my debate is how much it will hurt my training to miss one of my long runs or how bad it would be if they are too close together (next sat is supposed to be 12 mi). Race is Oct 17th.

You run on training you did 2 - 4 weeks prior. In the long run, it wont make that big of a deal. However, that type of mindset just might... Too many little aches and pains is a better reason (IMHO) not to go running.

As for nutrition during a 1/2 marathon: dont. You dont need it (your body has enough energy stored as it is) and its more of a hassle than it will help. Do keep properly hydrated as this will influence your running much sooner/ more.

[OldLarry]

You run on training you did 2 - 4 weeks prior. In the long run, it wont make that big of a deal. However, that type of mindset just might... Too many little aches and pains is a better reason (IMHO) not to go running.

As for nutrition during a 1/2 marathon: dont. You dont need it (your body has enough energy stored as it is) and its more of a hassle than it will help. Do keep properly hydrated as this will influence your running much sooner/ more.

ty for the advice- I ended up just doing 10. Too hot/humid and too long since lunch by the time I started (7:45 PM). Spaced my Cliff bar.

Funny you should mention aches and pains- have been nursing a minor groin pull (that's what she said) for a few weeks.

Side note- have not terribly secret hope to bag South Hero marathon and run Amsterdam, which is the same weekend. The wife is against it, though I can't imagine why!

[Shorey]

What's a better place to do an IM:
Coeur d'Alene or St George, Utah?

...anywhere has to be better than Bolton.

Trying to decide whether early booked flights to the US might make for a nice holiday and ironman sufferage all in one hit.

[OldLarry]

either way being guns, lawyers and money.

[Tectonically_Neglected]

ty for the advice- I ended up just doing 10. Too hot/humid and too long since lunch by the time I started (7:45 PM). Spaced my Cliff bar.

Funny you should mention aches and pains- have been nursing a minor groin pull (that's what she said) for a few weeks.

Side note- have not terribly secret hope to bag South Hero marathon and run Amsterdam, which is the same weekend. The wife is against it, though I can't imagine why!

Heh, funny that: I'm pondering doing the A'dam marathon myself...

[hafilax]

My first 1/2 marathon is Sunday. Went on a 10k run on Monday and got to see my pace on the watch. If I push hard and can hold a steady pace to the end I might be able to do 1hr45. It will be interesting to see what I can do...

[lionelhutz]

My first 1/2 marathon is Sunday. Went on a 10k run on Monday and got to see my pace on the watch. If I push hard and can hold a steady pace to the end I might be able to do 1hr45. It will be interesting to see what I can do...

Go for it. That's a good time...

[hafilax]

Ran my first half yesterday and managed my 1:45 target. I don't have an exact time since there was a problem with my timing chip.

I was pretty tight for the first 5km at which point my shins loosened up and everything felt great. Started getting a hot spot on my foot so I took off my shoe to adjust at the half way mark. This was when the lactic acid started building up. From 15km on it became a full battle to maintain pace. I have never felt that kind of burn in my legs before. With 1km I'm left I was going as fast as my lead legs would carry me with people passing me left and I was about to give in when the damn 1:45 pace bunny passed me and he seemed to be a little behind pace so it was a sprint to the finish. I crosses with the clock reading 1:45:23. I crossed the start at least 30s after the gun so I figure I made my target.

And then the limping began. Everything started seizing up especially my right hip and both hamstrings. I highly recommend the post race massage! I'm not too too sore today but definitely feeling it.

I'm not sure that I'll run another one and if I do I will do a full 10 week training cycle. I did get to see my family and raise some money for the Ehlers-Danlos Foundation (go to http://www.first giving.com/stalkerteam

[Platinum Pete]

What's a better place to do an IM:
Coeur d'Alene or St George, Utah?

...anywhere has to be better than Bolton.

Trying to decide whether early booked flights to the US might make for a nice holiday and ironman sufferage all in one hit.

I've heard that the St George course is one of the very toughest IMs. Not that any are a breeze, but depending on your appetite for suffering. I have no knowledge of the Cd'A course. Both places are gorgeous. Cd'A may be easier to get to: fly into Spokane -> drive an hour.

[Meathelmet]

So, day 9 post marathon.


First couple of days were intresting... Groin injury that made me run "funny" really had wrecked its havoc..
Walking...meh...getting up the stairs...uuh..getting down the stairs...aaah!
Knee and ankle is finally getting better and weirdly,the groin is about as bad as before. So ok:ish,i guess.

Decided to make a small mtb tour last weekend. It was supposed to be about a 75km ride from my friend,calculated that 3.30 would be a reasonable time as it is mostly pavement with only 15km of gravel roads. But as things in life general, they can take a weird turn. Literally.
My mate suggested that I should take a bit different route as the normal one is a bit booring. It should ad only 5km extra or something,and with much better views. I took it.
Too bad that I had only 2L of fluids and 3 gels with me.
And too bad I forgot my phone/gps.
And too bad that the map my mate gave was 1:250.000.

So,in short,ended up getting lost, did 35 km extra and had finished the fluids/gels one at 3 hours and had to do the last 15km in darkness. Without a headlamp.

4.40h later i was in the kitchen eating boiled potatoes from the pot with my bare hands,quaffing beer (?!) and eating half raw sausages.
Jeesus I was knackered.


Sooo, decided to take it easy today. Headed out for a chill ride with the bike,forgot my phone AND map and ended up doing a 2 hour sufferfest in the bushes.
When back home,I thought it would be even better idea to take out my new shoes (Nike Free 3.0s) for a quick spin,right away.
Tied the shoes,and my wife comes and says that I better run the 3km trail at least twice as fast as she did in the morning,or I wont get the supper. Uuuh... so in 10 minutes? Failed,but not so badly,10:45.

Damn I love running...

[Tectonically_Neglected]

Brutal.

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[Shorey]

Cheers Platinum Pete.

[single]

Just signed up for the seattle marathon which is going to be my first one, havent really run much since high school (I am a college senior now). Never was incredibly fast, maybe a 17:30 5K back in the day? Just started training again, the race is thanksgiving weekend.

Feel like I am in pretty good shape. Been training for two weeks. Running like 30-40 miles a week right now. Longest day so far is right around 12 or 13. Dont know how long it took, but I am thinking somewhere around an hour and a half.

Any ideas how to find out what kind of pace I should run the race at? I have absolutely no idea what kind of pace I will be able to hold for 26 miles. Hoping to break 4 hours, but thinking I might be able to go faster?

[OldLarry]

Just signed up for the seattle marathon which is going to be my first one, havent really run much since high school (I am a college senior now). Never was incredibly fast, maybe a 17:30 5K back in the day? Just started training again, the race is thanksgiving weekend.

Feel like I am in pretty good shape. Been training for two weeks. Running like 30-40 miles a week right now. Longest day so far is right around 12 or 13. Dont know how long it took, but I am thinking somewhere around an hour and a half.

Any ideas how to find out what kind of pace I should run the race at? I have absolutely no idea what kind of pace I will be able to hold for 26 miles. Hoping to break 4 hours, but thinking I might be able to go faster?

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you have been trainin for 2 weeks and you are running 40 miles a week? Dude just run the race tomorrow.

[Chesser]

Any ideas how to find out what kind of pace I should run the race at? I have absolutely no idea what kind of pace I will be able to hold for 26 miles.

Yasso 800s:

(1) Go to a track.
(2) Warm up for 10 minutes.
(3) Bang out 8 x 800 meters with a 400 meter jog in between. Go hard on the 800s, but not so hard that you can't complete the workout.
(4) Cool down for 10 minutes.

Your average 800m time can be used to approximate your marathon time (assuming you train properly and get in your long runs). If you're putting up 3:05 800s, it's reasonable to expect you're capable of a 3:05 marathon (again, assuming proper training). Since you're an ex-high school distance runner, this calculation almost certainly won't work--you'll probably end up running those 800s faster than projected due just to muscle memory. You should try it anyway, though. 800s are good for you. And vegetables. 800s and vegetables are good for you. And blood doping. 800s, vegetables, and blood doping are all you need for a successful marathon debut. Good luck.

[tarkman1]

Single - go enter something like 10K soon or even a half marathon in September to get an indication of marathon pace predictions. The Yasso 800s are very rough indicators, generally on the fast side of of any 'prediction'.

Ease up on increasing the weekly mileage by big chunks. The big increases will catch up with you and cause some type injury. Good luck.

[GeezerSteve]

single, the Seattle Marathon course is slow so temper your expectations. Save your legs because there are some nasty uphills in the last 8 miles of the race. 9 minute miles will get you <4 hours. But be aware that, for most people, a 3:59 on the SM course is like running a 3:45 on a flat course (e.g., Portland, Capitol City, Vancouver). SM also often gets nasty weather, further slowing conditions.

My suggestion is to have fun, run smart and pass a bunch of people in the last 3 miles, much of which is downhill.

I've run the SM several times -- don't know the exact # -- always as a last minute decision.

[OldLarry]

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