Running, Anyone...?

**Shorey** · 09-25-2009, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by lionelhutz

Big Props to Ms. Hutz...PR at the Philly distance run today!

And as a side question...A woman in front of me during the blew a load of shit in her shorts. Like for real. Not talking about hard gas or a wet fart here. I'm talking about the full taco bell 5k here. Bigh brown stain with chunks evident from like 20 feet behind. But here's the thing...she didn't stop. Was it possible she didn't notice? Is it possible she thought she just had some real bad gas? I can't figure out whether she was the baddest ass 40 year-old female runner ever or just like my grandma who was unaware that she pooped in the shower?

No mention of how long you actually stayed behind this woman once she'd done her pant job?

**Tuckerman** · 09-25-2009, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by lionelhutz

Big Props to Ms. Hutz...PR at the Philly distance run today!

And as a side question...A woman in front of me during the blew a load of shit in her shorts. Like for real. Not talking about hard gas or a wet fart here. I'm talking about the full taco bell 5k here. Bigh brown stain with chunks evident from like 20 feet behind. But here's the thing...she didn't stop. Was it possible she didn't notice? Is it possible she thought she just had some real bad gas? I can't figure out whether she was the baddest ass 40 year-old female runner ever or just like my grandma who was unaware that she pooped in the shower?

Congrats to Ms. Hutz. I might be interested in a kit, I sometimes put "Team Maggot" down as my running club anyway.

But whats wrong with road runners? They have the most clean running shoes but are not afraid to soil themselves. Ultra runners I have discovered have no shame and will take a step or two off course and drop ass.

VT 50 this weekend I don't know if I can PR this thing. I hope to see some Maggot bikers on course.

**lionelhutz** · 09-25-2009, 07:16 AM

Oh I didn't stay behind her too long.
Tuckerman..i"m game to join up or do a relay sometime.

**JimmyCarter** · 10-05-2009, 10:42 AM

Not to sidetrack the real running discussions, but anyone doing the Boston 1/2 this weekend?

**tarkman1** · 12-06-2009, 09:57 PM

I ran my first marathon today. The Santa Barbara International Marathon was a hometown event for me.

3:20:15. The factors of my time, my age, Boston 2011 race date, and SBI Marathon race date line up to qualify me for Boston 2011.

I feel right now like I do after a great powder day of skiing bell to bell. Tired and stoked.

**OldLarry** · 12-07-2009, 07:04 AM

Congratulations as nice work!

**Tuckerman** · 12-07-2009, 08:36 AM

3:20 great time.

**Viva** · 12-07-2009, 09:19 AM

A co-worker ran that yesterday- his first marathon as well. Did 3:32, I think. Texted me about it...responded acting all excited for him and shit...

He also called me Saturday asking about GU because, apparently, it was available for the race. Told him the GU history and offered to introduce him to the inventor some day if he runs a respectable first race.

**Karl Stall** · 12-07-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by tarkman1

I ran my first marathon today. The Santa Barbara International Marathon was a hometown event for me.

3:20:15. The factors of my time, my age, Boston 2011 race date, and SBI Marathon race date line up to qualify me for Boston 2011.

I feel right now like I do after a great powder day of skiing bell to bell. Tired and stoked.

That's awesome! Congratulations! That is my goal - hoping to post up a 3:20 or less sometime in the next 12 months!

**Dantheman** · 12-07-2009, 04:33 PM

Hell of a time tarkman, congrats!

I haven't done anything really long since the GC double crossing in June, but I did run a 5:29 mile turkey day morning and a 20:10 5k a week or so before that. Pretty stoked on both of those.

**Tuckerman** · 01-08-2010, 08:57 AM

Looks like old people are getting faster.

Hoffman MD; Wegelin, JA. The Western States 100-Mile Endurance Run:
Participation and Performance Trends. Medicine & Science in Sports &
Exercise. 41(12):2191-2198, 2009.

Abstract

Purpose: Examine changes in demographics of participants and performance
trends at the Western States 100-Mile Endurance Run (WSER) since its
inception in 1974.

Methods: Name, age, sex, and finish information was obtained on runners
in the WSER from 1974 to 2007. Linear regression analyses, ANOVA, and
t-tests were used to examine participation and performance trends.

Results: The mean age of participants increased (P < 0.001) to around 45
yr, with men being an average of 3 yr older (P < 0.001) than women. The
increase in average age of starters was accounted for by the growth in
participation among women >=40 yr and men >=50 yr, and by the decreasing
participation among men <50 yr. Between 1986 and 2007, there was an
increasing participation among women to around 20% of all starters. With
this came improved (P < 0.01) finish times for the top 5 overall women
and the top 5 women in the 30-39 and 40-49 yr age groups, whereas
performances among the men did not improve over this time span. Average
ages of the top performers increased (P <= 0.002) since 1990 to the
upper 30s for both sexes, but the fastest times among men were
comparable across the 30-39 and 40-49 yr age groups.

Conclusions: Participation in the WSER has increased among women and
older athletes, and the ages of the fastest runners at the WSER have
gradually risen to the extent that these runners are older than the ages
at which the fastest marathons are run. In contrast to what has been
observed for men, finish times have improved for the top women across
the last two decades at the WSER.

It looks like it will be harder to catch them and stick them on ice drifts.

**Viva** · 01-08-2010, 09:27 AM

One of the "OG" Rats has me tentatively committed to pacing him at We$tern $tates this year. He's about 50 or 51 and should finish in the top 20, if not top 10.

I've got come work to do.

**Sparky** · 01-08-2010, 09:33 AM

^^^ Awesome

My knee fukin hurts, doc on Tues, not run much in the last 3 weeks

**montanagirl** · 03-09-2010, 06:49 PM

Just registered for Napa to Sonoma Half Marathon in July!

**Viva** · 03-09-2010, 08:36 PM

^^^ My sister lives in Napa and an ex GF recently relocated to Sonoma from the central coast in order to continue her wine-making endeavors. Be sure to say "hi" for me.

Meanwhile, I'm working on re-establishing a base. Legs feel like lunch meat since I'm not used to running so much anymore.

After my pacing obligations at We$tern $tates are concluded, I'm contemplating both Bulldog 50K (Malibu) and Nobel Cyn. east county San Diego) 50K later in the summer. We'll see what happens after that.

**montanagirl** · 03-09-2010, 09:53 PM

I'm excited to head to wine country, planning on staying a few days after the race to tour the countryside.

There is no way I could imagine covering such distances- I give you + Tuckerman & others such a high respect for pushing those miles. Really got into cross country skiing this winter with some long distance trails and cool places to see that I would not have made it to otherwise. It improved my cardio and endurance on backcountry trips and I was still able to come home and run with the dogs in the evening, to the point that I was covering more miles than in the fall. I made it past the dreaded first few miles just simply sucked to now having a great time just being out on the trails (lack of snow this winter has probably contributed too) and finally set a goal for a half marathon. I want to be able to run the Las Vegas 1/2 marathon in December as a fundraiser for the Justin Cowboy Crisis Fund, so this will be the test to see if I can really do it.
Any and all advice is appreciated~37 pages is a lot to review!

**shroom** · 03-10-2010, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Daywalker

Things I don't like about running:
1. People who don't understand that I need to run today.
2. Colleagues who give me grief about bailing on dinner/drinks to go for a run. If you can schedule that BS around American Idol, you can give me some consideration too (or just leave me out of it).
3. Running behind smokers.
4. Playing the, "Do they see me/Do they not" game with idiot drivers. You can't win.
4a. Idiot drivers who pull into the crosswalk.
4b. Idiot drivers who see me and then pull into the crosswalk.
4c. The supermegahuge idiot Explorer driver who made eye contact with me today and then not only pulled into the crosswalk but then proceeded to drive 100 feet down the road in the same direction I was going to pull into a driveway. Of course, not only could he not pull in past the sidewalk but he had the indignity to tell me he was going to call the cops after I punched his car and gave him the double-middle. Sorry for giving runners a bad name, but I wasn't feeling very Zen at the time.
5. People with their dogs either unleashed or on a leash but not under control enough to keep them from lunging at me.
5a. People who don't even react when their dog either takes off after me or lunges at me.
6. Knowing that I'm 5 lbs. overweight and recognizing that only other runners and adolescent girls would understand.
7. Unfriendly runners. Seriously, we're all in this together. Would a smile, wave, or even a hello be all that hard after I give you the same? Why do people insist on staring at their shoes as they go past? I know I usually look like a tranced-out Ronald McDonald but c'mon.
8. Bailing on a run. This is probably the worst and there is never a good excuse.

Things I LOVE about running:
1. The fact that none of the above things matter after a run (sometimes it takes a long one).
2. Runner chicks
2a. Especially the hardcore, stone faced, ridiculously attractive, 30-year old 10K chick who I'm a little scared of but secretly want to let dominate me.
2b. The gangly, new to the sport but trying hard 25 year old. I will tutor you.
3. The friends in the know who check up on you, talk about training, etc. When you are a bit off the norm they push/pull/prod you into getting back on the horse or signing up for a race or whatever it may take. You know who you are, thanks.
4. Pacers, race volunteers, training partners. 'Nuff said.
5. Friendly runners. We all like a little human contact and on a long run a nod, friendly hello, or even a few words exchanged is pleasant. This is not the time and place for my iPod rant...
6. Courteous drivers. You sometimes restore my faith in humanity, especially those who not only acknowledge my presence but make the (absolutely unnecessary) gesture of backing out of the crosswalk.
7. Running around a foreign city.
8. Putting another pair of running shoes out to the pasture.
8a. Slipping on another pair of Asics Gel-1XXX's. I've been through 15-18 pairs in the last 7 years and they rock.
9. The feeling you get after a nice long run and a chocolate milk. Total Zen.
10. Legs. Damn my legs look good.

Bottom line: The love list always outweighs the don't like list. I hope that it's the same for you.

couldn't have been stated better. quality post

**steve** · 03-10-2010, 06:37 AM

Well, since somebody bumped this thread, I'll give an update as to what's going on with me.

In three weeks I'll be making a second 100 mile attempt at Umstead. Longshot, but will anyone else be there?

In May I'm doing a 48-hour race in New Jersey. Should be interesting.

In July I'm going out to Badwater to crew for a friend. He's already a finisher and is going for the second time.

Also in July I'm returning to the Adirondacks to do Damn Wakely Dam, which is about 52K and completely self-supported with no road crossings or aid stations. Love that race.

And in October I'll be in Arizona running the Javelina Jundred.

-steve

**Platinum Pete** · 03-17-2010, 02:42 PM

I've read this whole thread and searched, but still haven't found much discussion of Pose running or Chi Running aside from "i like it", "I agree with it's priciples", or "it's good".

Anybody with care to go a bit deeper? I've watched some Youtube video and read the Amazon.com blurbs & reviews, so my interest is piqued, but I want to hear from the collective before I buy books and mess with my stride.

**OldLarry** · 03-17-2010, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Platinum Pete

I've read this whole thread and searched, but still haven't found much discussion of Pose running or Chi Running aside from "i like it", "I agree with it's priciples", or "it's good".

Anybody with care to go a bit deeper? I've watched some Youtube video and read the Amazon.com blurbs & reviews, so my interest is piqued, but I want to hear from the collective before I buy books and mess with my stride.

I like the notion that your stride is your stride and is dictated by your body's natural kinesthetics that are unique to you. Messing with your body's natural motion seems like trouble.

Someone once told me that a "proper" golf swing is supposed to feel awkward at first. Completely turned me off to the sport- well that and the fact that I suck at it

**boarddad** · 03-17-2010, 03:15 PM

Pete;
My wife ran the Long Beach 1/2 marathon in Oct. And trained with TEAM. They practice Chi running. From what I can tell, you take small steps and stay well within your limits of effort. She finished no problem and wasn't sore the next day so there's some good to say for it. You're not going to set any records though, so I guess it depends on your goals. If you have never run a marathon before, I'd recommend finding a TEAM group or one like it to train for it. If nothing else it really helps you stay motivated.

**Dantheman** · 03-17-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Platinum Pete

I've read this whole thread and searched, but still haven't found much discussion of Pose running or Chi Running aside from "i like it", "I agree with it's priciples", or "it's good".

Anybody with care to go a bit deeper? I've watched some Youtube video and read the Amazon.com blurbs & reviews, so my interest is piqued, but I want to hear from the collective before I buy books and mess with my stride.

Are you plagued by chronic injuries that would be helped by better mechanics? If you are not, it may not be worth the trouble. I also think something like POSE is probably best learned via in-person coaching with someone who knows what the hell they are doing, self teaching it doesn't seem easy to do or a great idea in general. Maybe not, I haven't read the books. From what I do know it seems the biggest takeaways from them are don't heelstrike and don't overstride, both of which are pretty uncontroversial and everyone should make a conscious effort to avoid doing them.

**XtrPickels** · 03-17-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Are you plagued by chronic injuries that would be helped by better mechanics? If you are not, it may not be worth the trouble. I also think something like POSE is probably best learned via in-person coaching with someone who knows what the hell they are doing, self teaching it doesn't seem easy to do or a great idea in general. Maybe not, I haven't read the books. From what I do know it seems the biggest takeaways from them are don't heelstrike and don't overstride, both of which are pretty uncontroversial and everyone should make a conscious effort to avoid doing them.

Agreed.

I think we can all do little tweaks to improve our efficiency, but few people need a complete revamping of their stride into Chi / Pose etc. Except if you're a triathlete... especially an Ironman (TM)... then you need chi running... and an aero helmet and carbon wheels plus a garmin GPS an ironman tattoo.

I know many very fast and successful runners (3 time female western states winner, a 2:15 marathoner, etc) yet I know no fast, successful Pose or Chi runners.

**BeanDip4All** · 03-17-2010, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by XtrPickels

Except if you're a triathlete... especially an Ironman (TM)... then you need chi running... and an aero helmet and carbon wheels plus a garmin GPS an ironman tattoo.

hey... i resemble that remark! (defensive pose due to getting pounded on head by drunk maggots)

tho, i don't wear it as well as supu