GUNS!!!!!!!!

[Jumper Bones]

Jer, who do you insure with? I've had issues with insurance cos, wonder who ya got.

[philippeR]

Nice paint job. Do you need a special make-up to shoot those ?

[TNKen]

1911's. I have several. You can spend as much as you want on one. From $200 for a ragged out thrown together POS to a nice stock unit, to a tricked out unit. Then there are the WWII vintage guns where you can spend $100,000 on a Singer 1 of 500 1911.

I would suggest a Springfield Arms. Good quality, good service if you have problems.

My favorites are a Kimber Custom Royal in .45, a tricked out STI 2011 in .38 Super (for IDPA enhanced service class), and a custom built Wilson affectionately named the Salamander (slimmed out, bobbed grip, lightweight hammer, enhanced recoil spring, Barstow barrel, etc.)

1911 Sources

The original--- http://www.coltsmfg.com/products-c5-COLT_PISTOLS.aspx

http://www.1911pistols.com/

Big buck guns
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/
http://www.edbrown.com/cgi-bin/htmlo...omhandguns.htm
http://www.dawsonprecision.com/Categ...p?cat=FIREARMS

Moderatly priced and good quality
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/
http://www.1911pistols.com/category/...1_Pistols.aspx
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...category=15708

[Jer]

Jer, who do you insure with? I've had issues with insurance cos, wonder who ya got.

State Farm. It's just a homeowner's policy. I'm also an NRA member and I think they have some kind of insurence thing, although I know absolutely nothing about it.

Nice paint job. Do you need a special make-up to shoot those ?

Yeah - I use those two-color green/black surplus tubes unless it's hot out. Then I just rub dirt and ashes and shit on my face. Yes, actual shit. I'll try to take some photos next time we're out trying to fool each other.

[Tuckerman]

[TNKen]

Latest addition to the fold. Been on a waiting list for a long time. Got notice it arrived this am.

[Donkey Punch]

So I am looking for a carry gun for fishing. I know I want a Sig, but after talking to a couple of guys I am not sure which I want. I was originally thinking the 220 (45ACP), but now I am thinking the 226 chambered in Sig 357. Then I can switch out barrels and shoot .40S&W to. Anyone have any thoughts?

[leroy jenkins]

I have an old W german sig 226 and a new x-5 tactical, I love em both.

There is no reason to switch from .357 Sig to .40 s/w for practice. The 357 is a good round for wildlife protection, it has good penetration. Instead of the 40, you can switch to the much cheaper 9mm for practice. I really don't think there is any reason at all to use 40 for anything, even though it has become very popular with the po po, its ballistics are only a hair better than 9 and it costs more and sacrifices a few rounds of capacity per mag. 357 Sig is a legitimate increase in power from 9mm.

I'd get a 226 Navy model, or the SCT model. The navy has a better coating on the metal than the others, and has coated internals as well, at least they should, while the SCT is mostly just a good deal on the super high cap mags.

You can get the 9mm version first and buy a 357 barrel and recoil spring for it later, thats all you need to change, although I think you'll need different mags too, but I'm not sure.

Not sure what wildlife you're worried about, but you might just stick with 9mm. Good hollow points (speer gold dots are what I use) really hit pretty damn hard in 9mm. For animals like moose or mountain lions that can be fast moving, I feel a lot more confident in my ability to quickly place rounds with a 9. If you can use it well, a 9 will handle black bears no problem.

If its griz you're worried about, buy a 220 in .45, then send it to grayguns to get it turned into a 10mm. Nothing smaller will do a thing to a griz.

I love sigs.


Oh, I forgot to say, .45 ACP really isn't that great of a round for wildlife protection. Its a big bullet so it hits hard, which works on thin skinned small animals like people, but it is SLOW so it just will not penetrate even something not hudge like a black bear. In fact even 9mm penetrates a lot better than 45. If you can't get to a bears organs or break through their skull, you're basically just hitting them with a big hammer. Not going to stop em.

[Eastside]

Not sure why you are dead set on a Sig but the 229 in 357 Sig is a nice heater. I would seriously consider sticking with either 9mm or .45 though.

As nice as the thought of switching barrels is you prolly won't do it.

I would get a 229 in 9mm and be happy.

MF

[DeepHelmet]

What is it you may have to shoot while fishing? If it's a bear, then 44 mags kinda the minimum.

[khakis]

a .22 is gonna take care of any fish you're likely to encounter in northern colorado

[zion zig zag]

So Leroy, are you saying that you carry Hollowpoints for moose and bear?

[TNKen]

I'm not a fan of either the .40 or .357 Sig. Ammo is expensive, so you're not going to get proficient with the gun. Lots of muzzle flip out of both which means poor recovery and target aquisition on the second and subsequent shots.

Get something you can learn to shoot proficiently, especially if this is your first handgun. Something with a .22 conversion option is a great thing. Look at a 1911 and a Marvel .22 conversion kit. That way you have a classic weapon, big bore, with a .22 option for plinking.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/ar...clicktype=1911

http://www.marvelprecision.com/

Ken

[leroy jenkins]

So Leroy, are you saying that you carry Hollowpoints for moose and bear?

Yup, spear gold dot +P. It's not just that they're hollowpoints, but that they are very well designed to consistently deliver excellent penetration and expansion. Being a hollow point doesn't mean it won't penetrate, unless its a crappy underpowered hp. I can't remember the exact statistics, but when I was shopping around for a defense round to buy, I did a bunch of research on balistics testing and these HP's would expand well, retain almost all their weight, and still penetrate at least a couple feet into ballistic gel, which is good enough for anything but griz.

For clarification, by "bear" I mean black bear, not griz, and not really for moose, we don't have those around here, more for cats and possibly blackies.

When I was in MT I carried an 8 shot 357 Mag with solid non hollow point corbons.

[zion zig zag]

Ah. I guess that makes sense. For around where I backpack I think the biggest threats are rogue range bulls (srsly) and then moose, so I just assumed that FMJ would be better.

[Smokey McPole]

For wildlife protection I'd get whatever handgun you can get in your mouth/under your chin the fastest. As you can tell, I have very little faith in the stopping/killing power of handguns, and I own a .44 mag.

[carpathian]

My co worker told me a story today at work. Just yesterday they were trying to kill a big dog that had attacked grandma or something. It was on short leash/stack and the .22 bullet just bounced off his head. He took off howling like a banshee and took 7 more shots to finally kill the maurading beast.

[P_McPoser]

He shot a dog that was running away????

[Donkey Punch]

Not sure why you are dead set on a Sig but the 229 in 357 Sig is a nice heater. I would seriously consider sticking with either 9mm or .45 though.

As nice as the thought of switching barrels is you prolly won't do it.

I would get a 229 in 9mm and be happy.

MF

I want a Sig because it fits my hand the best, has a visible hammer, I really liked how quick and accurate I could shoot my father in laws 9mm 226, and they are bomber. If I ever need it I want to know that it is going to fire, even if its been a little neglected while back packing, or hiking. Like it or not, I am not going to go through my gun every night when I am out in the woods, and with the Sig I will still be 100% confident that it will fire if needed. I do like the idea of a 9mm 226, but I would have to buy seperate mags and barrel to be able to shoot 357, where as I can get the .40, and just need the barrel, but the ammo costs might outweigh having to buy several extra mags, especially since I shoot at least once a week, because hey a gun does you no good if you can't shoot it worth a damn.

My main concerns are moose, and Blackies, but when I am up at my wifes parents house, and SW Montana then Griz are a slight concern, but not enough to buy a gun just for that when I spend so little time up there. If I lived up there then I would have a .460 Smith & Wesson, or 454 Casull.

And to be perfectly honest I doubt I will ever really need it for any sort of animal protection, but on the off chance that I will, I would feel really dumb after I'm pounded into the ground by a moose, or eaten for Brunch because I didn't have even a slightest chance of fighting back. I have never even seen a bear in Colorado till this summer, and now I have seen four. Just yesterday while fishing in RMNP there was a Sow with twins that walked 10 yards from us when we where walking back to the truck, I honestly never thought I would be in that situation, but we where and I didn't like that feeling at all. Although I was called a know it all by some jackass from Illinois who was getting in front of them to take some pics, after I yelled that he was in about the worst possible spot, but hey I call that natural selection. The worst part would be that the Sow would have been killed because of his actions.

[carpathian]

He shot a dog that was running away????

Well, it was tied to a short leash on a stake. the first shot bounced off head and it pulled the stake and took off. etc etc

[zion zig zag]

I want a Sig because it fits my hand the best, has a visible hammer, I really liked how quick and accurate I could shoot my father in laws 9mm 226, and they are bomber. If I ever need it I want to know that it is going to fire, even if its been a little neglected while back packing, or hiking. Like it or not, I am not going to go through my gun every night when I am out in the woods, and with the Sig I will still be 100% confident that it will fire if needed. I do like the idea of a 9mm 226, but I would have to buy seperate mags and barrel to be able to shoot 357, where as I can get the .40, and just need the barrel, but the ammo costs might outweigh having to buy several extra mags, especially since I shoot at least once a week, because hey a gun does you no good if you can't shoot it worth a damn.

Yeah, you want a SF glock. Sig used to have a better rep, but now they kind of fall in with Kimber as far as I'm concerned.

[leroy jenkins]

I want a Sig because it fits my hand the best, has a visible hammer, I really liked how quick and accurate I could shoot my father in laws 9mm 226, and they are bomber. If I ever need it I want to know that it is going to fire, even if its been a little neglected while back packing, or hiking. Like it or not, I am not going to go through my gun every night when I am out in the woods, and with the Sig I will still be 100% confident that it will fire if needed. I do like the idea of a 9mm 226, but I would have to buy seperate mags and barrel to be able to shoot 357, where as I can get the .40, and just need the barrel, but the ammo costs might outweigh having to buy several extra mags, especially since I shoot at least once a week, because hey a gun does you no good if you can't shoot it worth a damn.

My main concerns are moose, and Blackies, but when I am up at my wifes parents house, and SW Montana then Griz are a slight concern, but not enough to buy a gun just for that when I spend so little time up there. If I lived up there then I would have a .460 Smith & Wesson, or 454 Casull.

And to be perfectly honest I doubt I will ever really need it for any sort of animal protection, but on the off chance that I will, I would feel really dumb after I'm pounded into the ground by a moose, or eaten for Brunch because I didn't have even a slightest chance of fighting back. I have never even seen a bear in Colorado till this summer, and now I have seen four. Just yesterday while fishing in RMNP there was a Sow with twins that walked 10 yards from us when we where walking back to the truck, I honestly never thought I would be in that situation, but we where and I didn't like that feeling at all. Although I was called a know it all by some jackass from Illinois who was getting in front of them to take some pics, after I yelled that he was in about the worst possible spot, but hey I call that natural selection. The worst part would be that the Sow would have been killed because of his actions.

I feel the same way about carrying. I don't own the gun for protection, I just like to shoot it for fun, and maybe I'll do some competitions some day. I doubt I'll ever "have" to use it, but a while ago I realized that I had become proficient enough that I could actually effectively defend myself with it, and since I already owned a gun and a holster, I figure why the hell not? Only thing I've actually spent money on for protection was a $20 box of hollow points.


About the gun, sig also makes a .22lr conversion. Definitely either get that, or a dedicated .22 pistol. I have a browning buckmark. Each range trip I'll probably put 300-800 rounds through it, and maybe just a few mags through the 9.

A 9mm conversion is something to think about since 40 ammo is expensive, and the 22 just doesn't give the same practice as a full power round, but definitely get some form of a .22, its the best thing I've done for my shooting.

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Guns are fucking boring.

[Smokey McPole]

Guns are fucking boring.

Rad blog.

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Rad blog.

Don't be butthurt Jer.

We know you like to spew about GUNS!!!!!!!! cuz they're controversial to losers like Dex........but, they're still fucking boring. Why not chatter about fireworks?
I mean, we all thought they were pretty cool as kids too!!!!! w00T!

Wait. I find those boring too.