BD Factor = Icebox?

[squatch]

Is that so? what happens with the intuitions? shin bang or something? factor with intuition is tempting, for weight reasons. You no likie?

They're very high volume. I have skinny ankles and shins, and wrap intuitions don't have much upper volume. tongues are better, although i prefer power-wraps. BD uses the boa system to account for this high volume fit, but intutions don't work so well.

Caveat emptor, and everyone's feet are different, but from a shell shape I feel like there are better fits out there.

[squirrelmurphy]

I was thinking tongue liner for skinning. I've never used PWs in a touring boot, but I feel like the added stiffness of a wrap liner would make it harder to flex while skinning. I think coupled with the overlap shell, a tongue liner would probably work pretty well both up and down. Other than the BOA system, very unimpressed with the stock liner, and I'd say the jury is still out even on that. I have plug intuitons in my alpine boots, I'll stick them in the factors and try to comment on how much they restrict the walk mode.

[srsosbso]

BD uses the boa system to account for this high volume fit, but intutions don't work so well.

I feel like the added stiffness of a wrap liner would make it harder to flex while skinning.

I was using some weights off of wildsnow and concluding that I could drop a couple of hundred grams per boot off of the factors by sticking intuition liners in, so this is super relevant. Thanks to you both.

[murph]

I have not toured in them yet, but I am thinking the BOA liner would be better on a tour, and maybe for cold resort days an intuition liner would be the ticket, since for resort days you do not really need the BOA function at all.

Only one day touring, but I thought the BOA was sweet. The walk mode has much better range and flexibility with the buckles undone, and the BOA keeps the liner close for this mode.