Bitch Fight!!!!

[kidwoo]

It's too bad the fond memories of watching Lemond race are overshadowed by his pathetic plunge into mediocrity.

Heh.

It would be tolerable if mediocrity were all he'd descended to.

[Gman]

what are people's general feelings regarding lance and doping? I mean with barry bonds you can see a noticeable increase in his body mass with steroids so people pretty much assume you can't do that naturally at his age. are people generally of the belief that lance's body isnt capable of winning that many tours after such a dreadful bout with cancer?

[Trackhead]

what are people's general feelings regarding lance and doping? I mean with barry bonds you can see a noticeable increase in his body mass with steroids so people pretty much assume you can't do that naturally at his age. are people generally of the belief that lance's body isnt capable of winning that many tours after such a dreadful bout with cancer?

Ask Rideit. He's the expert.

[lph]

outside of knowing he rides a bike, the general public has no real idea what greg lemond did, while Armstrong is a household name.

i think that is probably part of his motivation.

i am no exercise physiologist, but from what i have read on the intraweb, it sounds like VO2 max, while mostly dependent on genetics, can be increased to some degree by training, which would lead me to believe that Lemond's argument might be flawed. Anyone???

[Trackhead]

i am no exercise physiologist, but from what i have read on the intraweb, it sounds like VO2, while mostly dependent on genetics, can be increased by training, which would lead me to believe that Lemond's argument might be flawed. Anyone???

Reat the thread.

It's silly and impractical.

[lph]

i read the thread, while silly and impractical, it also sounds flawed, as both VO2 max and power output seem to be able to be increased by training, which would make lemond's suggestion scientifically flawed. although, it seems he is claiming that it would be the only real way to tell whether someone is doping.

[rideit]

Ask Rideit. He's the expert.

Ask Chris Carmichael.


Oh, wait...I did.

He ain't talkin'.

[CountryFunk]

http://www.velonews.com/article/8391...-s--99-samples


This is a sweet high-stakes poker game ... "Mr. Armstrong, the play is yours. Call, raise, or fold?"

[uncle crud]

outside of knowing he rides a bike, the general public has no real idea what greg lemond did, while Armstrong is a household name.

Which is a comment more on the promotion/"marketing" focus of American society, and not a comment on the relative skills or accomplishments of either LeMond or Armstrong.

I said it earlier and I stand by it: if you are in your early 30s or younger, you very much likely don't really know who LeMond is and you think Armstrong is the only great cycling competitor from America.

Lance's legend is bigger than Lance's accomplishments. Why? America's promotion/"marketing" focus, which became super-prevalent in the mid-90s and now is fully dominant. Presently, most Americans think that you have to promote yourself to be successful, and many think that a person isn't any good at anything unless he/she is constantly in the media spotlight.

The same can't be said for LeMond. If anything, that is what irks LeMond -- the legend of Armstrong is bigger and brighter than the legend (what legend?) of LeMond.

LeMond was a better cyclist.

Armstrong is a better doper.

Both had impressive wins in the TdF, wins over powerful challengers.

LeMond's win over Fignon in the final time trial was a whole lot more exciting, to me, than any of Lance's wins. But that may be because I was just starting to get serious about cycling when LeMond was at his peak.

[philippeR]

Which is a comment more on the promotion/"marketing" focus of American society, and not a comment on the relative skills or accomplishments of either LeMond or Armstrong.

I said it earlier and I stand by it: if you are in your early 30s or younger, you very much likely don't really know who LeMond is and you think Armstrong is the only great cycling competitor from America.

Lance's legend is bigger than Lance's accomplishments. Why? America's promotion/"marketing" focus, which became super-prevalent in the mid-90s and now is fully dominant. Presently, most Americans think that you have to promote yourself to be successful, and many think that a person isn't any good at anything unless he/she is constantly in the media spotlight.

The same can't be said for LeMond. If anything, that is what irks LeMond -- the legend of Armstrong is bigger and brighter than the legend (what legend?) of LeMond.

LeMond was a better cyclist.

Armstrong is a better doper.

Both had impressive wins in the TdF, wins over powerful challengers.

LeMond's win over Fignon in the final time trial was a whole lot more exciting, to me, than any of Lance's wins. But that may be because I was just starting to get serious about cycling when LeMond was at his peak.

He won thanks to his tri-bars and helmet.

I still remember watching it live on TV. Actualy, many frenchmen were quite happy for LeMond, who was mister nice guy when Fignon appeared as a prick. (In both case rather unfairly)

[schuss]

regardless of whether he DID dope, he'd be an idiot to do it now. There are now 0 expectations regarding his performance in cycling, so he can run clean in his "second" career and that will generally serve as evidence he didn't in his "first" career unless evidence is brought forth. Quite a smart move, actually.

[CountryFunk]

LeMond was a better cyclist.

LeMond rode a bike? Shit, I thought he played defenseman for the Red Wings back in the 70's.

Don't forget that when LeMond won his tours there were about 1500 people in the entire USA who followed the tour. Barely got TV coverage, no interwebz ... no Armstrong/TDF corporate marketing jaggernaut. It's no wonder he's bitter, but for chrissakes get over it!

IMO Lance doped his ass off but so did all his rivals, so who can say what WOULD have happened . He should STFU about being clean though - who gives a fuck if he's clean now? Clean now does not = clean then.

[Paskier17]

that was awesome

[rideit]

Don't forget that when LeMond won his tours there were about 1500 people in the entire USA who followed the tour. Barely got TV coverage, no interwebz ... .

I followed every single tour since LeMond...until 4 years ago.
It just became unbearable. In my mind, the Festina deal is the moment the Tour turned into a farce.

[uncle crud]

According to CyclingNews.com, Dessert Boy says he thinks The Almighty Mr Sheryl Crow can win the Tour de France again --

Ullrich thinks Armstrong can win Tour again

Jan Ullrich thinks that his former rival Lance Armstrong can win the Tour de France again. but says that he himself has no plans for a come back.

"I think it is possible that he can win again in France," the retired German cyclist told the dpa press agency. "He has a great life and great women, but it doesn't fulfil him. He finds his fulfillment in sport. If he meets the challenge mentally, then his body will also meet it."

The German, who retired from the sport after falling under intense scrutiny over Operación Puerto, said that he would not consider making a return of his own. "This option doesn't exist," said the 34-year-old. "I stopped under different circumstances than Lance. I have experienced too many unfair things."

Ullrich was heavily pursued by the German investigators who sought to prove that he was involved in the scandal. He repeatedly denied being involved, and ultimately settled the case with a fine while escaping any legal or sporting sanctions.

Ullrich also said that he supported Armstrong's decision not to let his doping samples from 1999 be re-tested. "Why should he do something he doesn't have to do? I wouldn't do it either, it is a matter of principle."

Ullrich is appearing in two races in Germany this weekend, the "Charity Bike Cup" on Friday in Weil der Stadt and Steffen Wesemann's farewell race Saturday in Wolmirstadt.

[Chemical Ali' The Wax Master]

Which is a comment more on the promotion/"marketing" focus of American society, and not a comment on the relative skills or accomplishments of either LeMond or Armstrong.

I said it earlier and I stand by it: if you are in your early 30s or younger, you very much likely don't really know who LeMond is and you think Armstrong is the only great cycling competitor from America.

Lance's legend is bigger than Lance's accomplishments. Why? America's promotion/"marketing" focus, which became super-prevalent in the mid-90s and now is fully dominant. Presently, most Americans think that you have to promote yourself to be successful, and many think that a person isn't any good at anything unless he/she is constantly in the media spotlight.

The same can't be said for LeMond. If anything, that is what irks LeMond -- the legend of Armstrong is bigger and brighter than the legend (what legend?) of LeMond.

LeMond was a better cyclist.

Armstrong is a better doper.

Both had impressive wins in the TdF, wins over powerful challengers.

LeMond's win over Fignon in the final time trial was a whole lot more exciting, to me, than any of Lance's wins. But that may be because I was just starting to get serious about cycling when LeMond was at his peak.

I know the TDF was L. A.' s main focus. How can you discredit a guy that won 7 in a row?

I do remember Lemond, he was the bad ass of the 80's. I think the lead has gone to his brain.
Heard he lost his contract with TREK for selling bikes on ebay.

[Trackhead]

Ullrich also said that he supported Armstrong's decision not to let his doping samples from 1999 be re-tested. "Why should he do something he doesn't have to do?

What's the deal with this? I'd like to hear more.

[rideit]

Ditto...who has more linkage on this?

[Trackhead]

Ditto...who has more linkage on this?

The French want to do it.

He out to submit his sample to the test, but somehow have a 'neutral' party test it. I wouldn't trust those fuckers either.

[uncle crud]

I know the TDF was L. A.' s main focus. How can you discredit a guy that won 7 in a row?

"Discredit" is your term, not mine. The fact that I don't worship Lance like many youngsters do is not the same thing as "discrediting" him.

Nice spin. Do you always lie like that?

[lph]

Reading that article it is pretty clear he doesn't want them tested at all, by anyone, due to his assertion that they have mishandled and not kept properly. And, the fact that there are only B samples, but 5 days of B samples.

[Chemical Ali' The Wax Master]

"Discredit" is your term, not mine. The fact that I don't worship Lance like many youngsters do is not the same thing as "discrediting" him.

Nice spin. Do you always lie like that?

what the fuck are you talking about Uncle Ass Fucker. No, you are the catcher.
now why did you have to make this personal, fuck face?

[powder11]

It seems safe to assume the sport of pro cycling is riddled with doping. As long as cyclist are dopers, the TDF is a joke and who ever wins it is on par with a WWF wrestler as far as pro athletes go. Armstrong should shut the fuck up and go away. Same for Lemond.

[uncle crud]

what the fuck are you talking about Uncle Ass Fucker. No, you are the catcher.
now why did you have to make this personal, fuck face?

Look here, Mr Impotent... if you want to dredge up your homoerotic fantasies from the rug under which you've swept them to maintain your Straight Guy Pose, and incorporate them into a put-down that fails like a lead balloon's failure at flight... well, that's your right. Just don't count on it getting a laugh from me!

[philippeR]

Bitch Fight!!!!