War in Georgia?

**Phill** · 08-09-2008, 02:56 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...eorgia090.html

anybody else watching this

Smokey McPole · 08-09-2008, 08:23 AM

Nobody paid any attention to it the first time - why would this be any different?

**AKA** · 08-09-2008, 08:38 AM

If they were in NATO would this be happening?

**Rusty Nails** · 08-09-2008, 09:42 AM

Sherman is burning Atlanta.

**Phill** · 08-09-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AKA

If they were in NATO would this be happening?

probably not.

13 · 08-09-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Phill

probably not.

i dunno man.

putin is ex-KGB and he seems like he's still in the cold war while the rest of the world has moved on. with all the $$$ russia is flush with now from oil/gas, PM putin & president medvedev are sure as shit gonna flex some some russian muscle.

**Sparky** · 08-09-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by AKA

If they were in NATO would this be happening?

Quite possibly, and we could get dragged into the shit show. The UN seems as much use as a chocolate teapot right now.

I heard that the Ruskie bombers were going after the western built oil/gas pipe line but had missed it so far? This puts a lie to the Russian UN envoys claim that they were only hitting military targets in Georgia.

Great another war for oil

**Lizhnik** · 08-09-2008, 08:51 PM

what does oil have to do with it? the whole pipeline story is something the georgians made up because they are desparately hoping someone will come to their defense.

**Cosmic Suncloud** · 08-09-2008, 09:42 PM

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**Name Redacted** · 08-09-2008, 10:27 PM

Ever seen 'Wag the Dog'?

**spindrift** · 08-09-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by 13

putin is ex-KGB and he seems like he's still in the cold war while the rest of the world has moved on.

Oh, you mean the "rest of the world" like PNAC?

Of course Georgia was just innocently governing its eden-like little happy democratic corner of the world and was attacked without provocation. Whether or not you are a Putin/Russia fan, if you believe that, I have a WMD story to sell you!

**Phill** · 08-09-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by spindrift

Oh, you mean the "rest of the world" like PNAC?

Of course Georgia was just innocently governing its eden-like little happy democratic corner of the world and was attacked without provocation. Whether or not you are a Putin/Russia fan, if you believe that, I have a WMD story to sell you!

Of course georgia wasn't "innocently governing its eden-like little happy democratic corner of the world" but I think its pretty clear that the reason for russian attacks transcend what ever little bullshit explanation that the Russian government has issued.

**P_McPoser** · 08-10-2008, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Lizhnik

what does oil have to do with it? the whole pipeline story is something the georgians made up because they are desparately hoping someone will come to their defense.

Move back from Moscow already peace-corp fag?

**Lizhnik** · 08-10-2008, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

Move back from Moscow already peace-corp fag?

It's nice to know you are keeping track of my location, but, no, I am just visting. And what is this "peace-corp" of which you speak? Is it a listed company? If so, what's the ticker? Does working there imply that one is gay?

**P_McPoser** · 08-10-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Lizhnik

It's nice to know you are keeping track of my location, but, no, I am just visting. And what is this "peace-corp" of which you speak? Is it a listed company? If so, what's the ticker? Does working there imply that one is gay?

So the world-weary poseur has never even heard of the Peace Corp??

wow.............

**Lizhnik** · 08-10-2008, 09:38 AM

Sorry, I forgot that sarcasm doesn't usually work well on the internet. I think it's called the Peace Corps. Not really my style, but is that what I am ostensibly posing as?

13 · 08-10-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by spindrift

Oh, you mean the "rest of the world" like PNAC?

Of course Georgia was just innocently governing its eden-like little happy democratic corner of the world and was attacked without provocation. Whether or not you are a Putin/Russia fan, if you believe that, I have a WMD story to sell you!

no, the rest of the world as in the rest of the world. wtf does PNAC have to do with georgia/russia anyway? isn't that the now-defunct group that lobbied to attack iraq?

no worries, i'm aware of georgian aggression in south ossetia & abkhazia. if you believe that that's the only reason putin/medvedev let the russian military loose on georgia, i have oil futures to sell you!

**Nathan Explosion** · 08-10-2008, 01:03 PM

**summit** · 08-11-2008, 11:20 AM

RUSSIA HAS INVADED GEORGIA PROPER

The Georgians retreated from South Ossetia and offered a cease fire. The Russians have responded by bombing the Georgian capitol of Tblisi and invading from both South Ossetia and Abkezia. Russian forces have captured the Georgian city of Gori and many other towns. The Russians have advanced to within 35 miles of Tblisi. The Georgian army is in full retreat and is going to make a final stand in defense of their capitol. The pro-western Georgian government is pleading for help from the west. The EU and NATO have issued strong statements calling for a cease fire.

This has gone beyond rattling sabers at the West. Russia has drawn her sword and the bear is mauling a US Ally. I don't know what the solution will be.

**spindrift** · 08-11-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Summit

This has gone beyond rattling sabers at the West. Russia has drawn her sword and the bear is mauling a US Puppet that stupidly launched an assault on Russian troops in a virtual Russian territory.

Fixed it for ya!

Once again, evidence that the Bush administration is utterly incompetent. George, Dick and Condi. What a team! Between now and November, they should just stay off the playing field. Why waste time and money and lives when "losing" is a foregone conclusion? WTF were the Bushies and Georgian government thinking? And what is anyone thinking if they believe the press release bull...

edit:

A couple other points...
1) I'm no fan of Russia. I do get offended by gross incompetence (e.g. Iraq).
2) Interestingly this gives McCain an opportunity for saber rattling in front of his adoring not-so-informed fans

**kayaktheworld** · 08-11-2008, 11:35 AM

The president of Georgia was educated in New York at Columbia. Shortly after returning to his country he was elected as a pro-american/pro-western leader, receiving copious amounts of military funding from the US for the next 3 years. (is this the Shah come back to haunt?). After election, he seeks entry to the EU and Nato.

The fact that a CIA prop decided to attack Russia and then had the audacity to ask the United States to confront Russia militarily is disgusting. Although my sympathy goes out to the civilians being punished in Georgia, I have little sympathy for the Georgian government.

The US and EU have virtually no economic/political power over Russia and we are not going to confront them militarily (I hope). Let them remove a thorn from their side. After this, the US government should stop fucking around on their borders.

What did an idiot CIA prop think would happen when he invaded a (basically)Russian Territory? Didn't he realize that Vladimir Putin (an ex-KGB psycho) is the PM of Russia? What the hell was he thinking...

**summit** · 08-11-2008, 11:37 AM

Spindrift you are so far off... for once something has nothing to do with Dubya other than his idiotic trust of Putin. This problem started in the early 90s.

Russia has been rattling their saber here for a long time. Originally I thought this conflict was just Russia saying "NATO GTFO of our sphere of influence" but this is more than that. Russia means to occupy Georgia and eliminate the Georgian government. Otherwise Russia would have accepted the Georgian ceasefire after their retreat.

The present Georgian government is a democratically elected one, not a CIA prop. Can you really blame the Georgians for trying to ally themselves with Europe after their domination by the Soviets and interference by the Russians for a century? The French and Swiss ministers are meeting with Georgia right now discussing the issue. Georgia was going to join NATO. WTF do you think Russia is going to do once they capture Tiblisi and remove the democratically elected government? Do you think they won't put in a FSB prop and have a nice little puppet government? Explain to me how this is good for Georgia.

**Blurred** · 08-11-2008, 11:42 AM

This has everything to do with Bush. I mean everything does.

**kayaktheworld** · 08-11-2008, 11:49 AM

Oh, I don't have any doubt that Russia will do bad things for Georgia. I do not like Russia, I do not think they are right on this issue.

I think you are mislead if you believe America did not encourage this whole situation. This guy screams 'I'm run by Western governments.'

The question still comes back though, what the hell did this guy think would happen when he ATTACKED RUSSIA. Seriously. I'm not saying that what Russia is doing is right. It should have been expected.

**spindrift** · 08-11-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Summit

Can you really blame the Georgians for trying to ally themselves with Europe after their domination by the Soviets and interference by the Russians for a century? ...Georgia was going to join NATO. WTF do you think Russia is going to do once they capture Tiblisi and remove the democratically elected government? Do you think they won't put in a FSB prop and have a nice little puppet government? Explain to me how this is good for Georgia.

No - I think Georgia aligning itself with Euroland & the U.S. is reasonable enough on the face of it. Although the picture of a U.S. educated (State Dept fellowship) pro-Bush 40 year old as a president on Russia's doorstep has to make any thinking person pause for a moment.

The excuse presented to Putin, however, was over 2 territories which have, for multiple decades, wanted to separate themselves from Georgia. And which have been virtual Russian territories for some time -- but living in some strange no-man's land of detente. Why would Georgia embark on a campaign of militarily kicking Russia in the shins when Russia is being run by a nutter looking for a bar fight. Especially in Georgia's neighborhood? And why would the U.S. have ever let Georgia march down that road?

Do you really think Georgia was ever going to become a NATO member? I mean really? If so, reality just reared its head for you...
This has everything to do with the Bushies blowing it yet again.