Israel to attack Iran

[Padded Room Poser]

Not McCain not Bush but Israel.

How does the pro Israel anti Bush contingent feel ?


I feel it will make things worse very worse but then again it will make the oil stock holders rich.

if this happens will it be Bush's fault still?


Is it not about god but money?

http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMos...25195820080606

By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites looks "unavoidable" given the apparent failure of sanctions to deny Tehran technology with bomb-making potential, one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's deputies said on Friday.

"If Iran continues with its program for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it. The sanctions are ineffective," Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz told the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper.

"Attacking Iran, in order to stop its nuclear plans, will be unavoidable," said the former army chief who has also been defense minister.

It was the most explicit threat yet against Iran from a member of Olmert's government, which, like the Bush administration, has preferred to hint at force as a last resort should U.N. Security Council sanctions be deemed a dead end.

Iran has defied Western pressure to abandon its uranium enrichment projects, which it says are for peaceful electricity generation rather than bomb-building. The leadership in Tehran has also threatened to retaliate against Israel -- believed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal -- and U.S. targets in the Gulf for any attack on Iran.

Mofaz also said in the interview that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be wiped off the map, "would disappear before Israel does."

A spokesman for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert did not address Mofaz's comments directly but said that "all options must remain on the table" and said more could be done to put financial pressure on Tehran.

"Israel believes strongly that while the U.N. sanctions are positive, much more needs to be done to pressure the regime in Tehran to cease its aggressive nuclear program," spokesman Mark Regev said.

[hemas]

Goody, goody...


better stock up some crude-oil futures as the price is going to skyrocket after such a feat...

[summit]

I don't know if Israel has the capability to strike that many hard targets at that range. If they do, I'd rather Israel do it than America. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but the outlook is not optimistic...

Of course they'll need US permission as they'll be flying over Iraq to do this...

[Yukonrider]

Wow, this will be interesting to watch...

[Cliff Huckable]

I don't know if Israel has the capability to strike that many hard targets at that range. If they do, I'd rather Israel do it than America. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but the outlook is not optimistic...

Of course they'll need US permission as they'll be flying over Iraq to do this...

Is there even a difference, to most of the world?
The perception is Israel=US. And for good reason, obviously.

[hemas]

Is there even a difference, to most of the world?
The perception is Israel=US. And for good reason, obviously.

Well not quite, at least in Yurp Israel is seens as a sovereign country... Just backed up by US. I'm sure your perception is more the view of muslim world...

[freezorburn]

Fuck!

This could be the start of world war III.

[summit]

Is there even a difference, to most of the world?
The perception is Israel=US. And for good reason, obviously.

Cue your conspiracy theories about how teh jooooooooos control the US

[Stone-Free]

The scary part is no one can really talk Israel out of doing anything. They will bomb anyone who is a perceived threat, no matter what the US, UN, or Jer says.

$8/gal gas anyone?

[rugbydave]

It wouldn't be the first time the Israelis take matters into their own hands, like with the Iraqi Osirak reactors in the 80s. Only problem with the Iranian targets is they are all split up and rather hardened targets. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Israelis had the ability to strike those targets and better them than no one...

[PNWbrit]

The scary part is no one can really talk Israel out of doing anything.

Yes they can.

The scary part is why nobody does.

[liv2ski]

I would rather have Israel do this kind of shit than the US, as they are better at it than we are.
Permission to fly over Iraq??? Those fuckers will be on the deck on the way in, so I don't think they are going to ask, nor do we want them to, for permission.
I like the attitude of the Israelis, I just wish everyone would get there asses out of Jerusalem so no one controls that area but the U.N. and give the Palestinians some turf to call there own, yet separate with a no man's land like between North and South Korea for a little security for both countries..

[St. Jerry]

If Israel is going to do it, the window of opportunity is now while there is still an anti-Iran, pro-war, US administration in power.

The Israeli viewpoint is likely that Obama (if elected) will look less favorably on providing support and/or bailing the Israelis out if things don't go well than would GWB & the neo-cons. So, if you're Israel, strike while you still have a favorable US administration in power.

[St. Jerry]

and I think it's far more than just a coincidence that this announcement from Israel comes out just several days after Obama sealed up the Democratic nomination as he is the least "Pro-Isreal" of the three candidates.

$0.02

[Thrill Hammer]

Everything I've read has quoted Olmert as saying Israel will need Americas "help" to do so. I'm sure Israel will fight Iran to the last American.

OPERATION GOYIM SHIELD IS A GO!!

[Toadman]

Well Israel has already bombed the nuke reactor in Syria. Not a word or peep for several weeks from anybody. Then the U.S. "leaks" the news that the Israeli's bombed "something" deep in Syrian territory. Most likely a little subtle msg. to Iran. Iran didn't get the subtle msg, so Israel is sending a not so subtle msg to Iran. This is how Bush "talks" to other countries.

[Art Shirk]

OPERATION GOYIM SHIELD IS A GO!!

funny...heh

[PNWbrit]

Olmert is also fighting for his political life at home.

Mofaz maybe making his play for the PMship.

Seems strange that he'd make this announcement rather than Olmert if it was an official statement of Israeli policy.

[skideeppow]

I don't know if Israel has the capability to strike that many hard targets at that range. If they do, I'd rather Israel do it than America. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but the outlook is not optimistic...

Of course they'll need US permission as they'll be flying over Iraq to do this...

They so have the capability. Most are too young to remember, but Osirak in 1981, they flew over Jordanian territory in a tight formation, turned of IFF and posed as an airliner. Condemnation was unanimous world wide accept for a Wall Street Journal applauding the move.
If not for that bombing, our troops would have faced tactical nukes in Gulf War 1 and who knows what would have been the outcome.
Israeli Sayert Matkol units were working in western iraq prior to the start of gulf war 1 trying to sus out the mobile scud missles that rained down on israel (with the help of SAS and US special ops).
None of this was reported, just like the bombing in Syria.
I would say that Olmert is in such a pinch right now domestically that i would not put this past him (ie Bill Clinton trying to bomb osama back in the day to take pressure of the Monica Lewinsky debacle) .

I think all sunni states would appreciate this (saudi arabia, yemen, jordan, etc). Because the only people they hate more than the Jews, are the shiats

Anyway, those are my two cents in a flash

[summit]

They so have the capability. Most are too young to remember, but Osirak in 1981, they flew over Jordanian territory in a tight formation, turned of IFF and posed as an airliner. Condemnation was unanimous world wide accept for a Wall Street Journal applauding the move.
If not for that bombing, our troops would have faced tactical nukes in Gulf War 1 and who knows what would have been the outcome.
Israeli Sayert Matkol units were working in western iraq prior to the start of gulf war 1 trying to sus out the mobile scud missles that rained down on israel (with the help of SAS and US special ops).
None of this was reported, just like the bombing in Syria.
I would say that Olmert is in such a pinch right now domestically that i would not put this past him (ie Bill Clinton trying to bomb osama back in the day to take pressure of the Monica Lewinsky debacle) .

I think all sunni states would appreciate this (saudi arabia, yemen, jordan, etc). Because the only people they hate more than the Jews, are the shiats

Anyway, those are my two cents in a flash

This is not a single unfueled reactor a few miles outside of Bagdad (close by). Osirik was 8 F-16s protected by 8 F-15s attacking one soft target We are talking about dozens of targets spread across Iran (far and huge) many of them hardened against attack. The number of aircraft the Israelis have with the range to hit these targets and provide support is probably not large enough to guarantee success with conventional ordinance.

You may not remember that before the Israeli's bombed Osirik successfully, the Iranians tried and failed.

ETA here is a map for you:


Israel has proved the ability to launch sustained wartime air operations within 500km and small limited covert strikes within 1000km. I think they don't have the numbers to launch a large number of coordinated covert strikes out to 2500km. They probably only have 45 planes available to do this unless they covertly retrofitted a bunch of F-16s with CFTs.

Paging Gripen

[PNWbrit]

I would say that Olmert is in such a pinch right now domestically that i would not put this past him

Except it's not Olmert saying it. But one of his very likely future opponents. A known belligerent hawk.

Olmert is saying that more international/financial pressure can be exerted on Iran.

[mr_gyptian]

I don't know if Israel has the capability to strike that many hard targets at that range. If they do, I'd rather Israel do it than America. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but the outlook is not optimistic...

Of course they'll need US permission as they'll be flying over Iraq to do this...

that's bullshit. there is no reason we cannot perform an airstrike on Iran.

why should Israel do our dirty work?

[skideeppow]

This is not a single unfueled reactor a few miles outside of Bagdad (close by). Osirik was 8 F-16s protected by 8 F-15s attacking one soft target We are talking about dozens of targets spread across Iran (far and huge) many of them hardened against attack. The number of aircraft the Israelis have with the range to hit these targets and provide support is probably not large enough to guarantee success with conventional ordinance.

You may not remember that before the Israeli's bombed Osirik successfully, the Iranians tried and failed.

ETA here is a map for you:


Israel has proved the ability to launch sustained wartime air operations within 500km and small limited covert strikes within 1000km. I think they don't have the numbers to launch a large number of coordinated covert strikes out to 2500km.

Paging Gripen

good point, forgot it was further, and that they spread out their targets.

[PNWbrit]

This is not a single unfueled reactor a few miles outside of Bagdad (close by). Osirik was 8 F-16s protected by 8 F-15s attacking one soft target We are talking about dozens of targets spread across Iran (far and huge) many of them hardened against attack. The number of aircraft the Israelis have with the range to hit these targets and provide support is probably not large enough to guarantee success with conventional ordinance.

Are Summits IAF fighter pilot pajamas one piece with the built in feet and the long zipper?

[Tuckerman]

Let them have at it. They need to fight it out then they will be BFF.