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**mushmouth** · 02-06-2008, 03:06 PM

Don't hate the thread; thread the hate.

nibhighfootballrules!

**nutcase** · 02-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

meh.

I don't really believe this, in any sport.

Just because you won the Championship doesn't necessarily mean you were the best team. It means you won the championship. Georgetown was better than Villanova. The Bruins were better than the Canadiens in the early 70's, the Russians were DEFINITELY better than the americans in the '80 Olympics, etc., etc.

Take your championship and be happy with it but the better team did not win and you know it's true.

Like Skikola said - The Giants became a better team throughout the playoffs. The Pats, probably because they have so many old players, became a much worse team during the playoffs. They dominated the first half of the season but became less and less dominant as the season went on. The last couple months they were not that great of a team at all. They had a tough time with the Jags and if SD wasn't so beat up the Chargers probably would have beat them. Be honest with yourself- you know this is true.

**pheenster** · 02-07-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by powder11

and you're just another dumb fuck new yorker

Somebody's still at Stage 2.

**Grange** · 02-07-2008, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Lemmiwinks

I hate to bump this thread... but I'm nominating this for dumbest football statement ever written.

I suppose you'd also like to nominate Belichick for Sportsman of the Year too.

The Superbowl was a perfect example. He received a lot of pressure and look at his throws. They were off the mark, he didn't see open receivers and was sacked several times. Compare that to earlier in the season when he had enough time to make a lunch and take a nap. Put any good quarterback behind that O-line and they'd be able to pick apart the secondary.

**pappag** · 02-07-2008, 01:32 PM

**Lemmiwinks** · 02-07-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Grange

I suppose you'd also like to nominate Belichick for Sportsman of the Year too.

The Superbowl was a perfect example. He received a lot of pressure and look at his throws. They were off the mark, he didn't see open receivers and was sacked several times. Compare that to earlier in the season when he had enough time to make a lunch and take a nap. Put any good quarterback behind that O-line and they'd be able to pick apart the secondary.

You put any quarterback in Brady's position during the Super Bowl and they are going to have an extremely hard time. This wasn't just a lot of pressure, this was the o-line completely collapsing almost every play, blitzers running up the middle unblocked. The New England o-line was simply destroyed and because of that you say Brady isn't that good?

Peyton has a great O-line... Are you going to say he is overrated too? So any quarterback with a great O-line is overrated?

Was Montana overrated because he had Jerry Rice?

There is no logic to your argument.

**Tippster** · 02-07-2008, 02:55 PM

BTW - with Brady "sucking" how was it that they regained the lead in the 4th? Brady didn't lose this game, Eli won it at the expense of an elderly defense.

**Grange** · 02-07-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Lemmiwinks

You put any quarterback in Brady's position during the Super Bowl and they are going to have an extremely hard time. This wasn't just a lot of pressure, this was the o-line completely collapsing almost every play, blitzers running up the middle unblocked. The New England o-line was simply destroyed and because of that you say Brady isn't that good?

Peyton has a great O-line... Are you going to say he is overrated too? So any quarterback with a great O-line is overrated?

Was Montana overrated because he had Jerry Rice?

There is no logic to your argument.

This isn't about Peyton or Montana, but both handle pressure better than Brady. I never said Brady wasn't good. He is a good quarterback, but he certainly is not the the best ever as many said all season long. I have never seen an offensive line as good as what Brady had. For most of the season he had little pressure put on him and when he finally does get solid pressure on him his throws suddenly aren't accurate, and he doesn't find open receivers. He folded. You can't be the greatest quarterback ever and fold in that game.

Originally Posted by Tippster

BTW - with Brady "sucking" how was it that they regained the lead in the 4th? Brady didn't lose this game, Eli won it at the expense of an elderly defense.

He had two great drives in the whole game. He scored 14 points when they averaged 28+ all season. He didn't have a good game because he couldn't handle the pressure. That said I agree that he didn't lose the game. The Giants won it.

**Lemmiwinks** · 02-07-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Grange

This isn't about Peyton or Montana, but both handle pressure better than Brady. I never said Brady wasn't good. He is a good quarterback, but he certainly is not the the best ever as many said all season long. I have never seen an offensive line as good as what Brady had. For most of the season he had little pressure put on him and when he finally does get solid pressure on him his throws suddenly aren't accurate, and he doesn't find open receivers. He folded. You can't be the greatest quarterback ever and fold in that game.

Peyton? Handle pressure better than Brady?? I'm Speechless. Simply Speechless. I'm not calling Brady the best QB ever, but Peyton handles pressure better than him? After reading that I'm done with this conversation as it is evident you are a Brady hater. Its not even worth it.

I guess I can't blame the hate though, as an entire seasons worth of National Media fornication on Brady and the Patriots has left the entire country pissed off. But hey everyone got their schadenfreude and I'm sure it feels good. So enjoy.

**Tippster** · 02-07-2008, 06:35 PM

No fucking doubt. I'm not a Brady-blower, but Joe Montana wouldn't have held up under the Giant's onslaught. Brady got hit HARD all day long - best offensive line my ass - not that night. He always got up and still gave his team a chance to win. Whenever Payton Manning got hit like that the Colts would lose by 20.

**mr_gyptian** · 02-07-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Grange

This isn't about Peyton or Montana, but both handle pressure better than Brady. I never said Brady wasn't good. He is a good quarterback, but he certainly is not the the best ever as many said all season long. I have never seen an offensive line as good as what Brady had. For most of the season he had little pressure put on him and when he finally does get solid pressure on him his throws suddenly aren't accurate, and he doesn't find open receivers. He folded. You can't be the greatest quarterback ever and fold in that game.

He had two great drives in the whole game. He scored 14 points when they averaged 28+ all season. He didn't have a good game because he couldn't handle the pressure. That said I agree that he didn't lose the game. The Giants won it.

This is crazy. Peyton Manning has the mental toughness of a 12 year old school girl. he rattles easier than most meth addicts.

take a look at super bowl's past and look at other quarterbacks that spend most of the game on their backs. In Elway's first three super bowls the Bronco's lost by a combined three million to 30. steve Grogan's career ended. Rich Gannon was already old, but what happened to him after the Buc's went to town?

the fact that the Pat's were even in the game shows how great a team they are.

**mr_gyptian** · 02-07-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Tippster

No fucking doubt. I'm not a Brady-blower, but Joe Montana wouldn't have held up under the Giant's onslaught. Brady got hit HARD all day long - best offensive line my ass - not that night. He always got up and still gave his team a chance to win. Whenever Payton Manning got hit like that the Colts would lose by 20.

they had the playoff game to prove it. Jim Burt might have leveled the most violent hit on a QB I've ever seen.

**Grange** · 02-07-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lemmiwinks

Peyton? Handle pressure better than Brady?? I'm Speechless. Simply Speechless. I'm not calling Brady the best QB ever, but Peyton handles pressure better than him? After reading that I'm done with this conversation as it is evident you are a Brady hater. Its not even worth it.

I guess I can't blame the hate though, as an entire seasons worth of National Media fornication on Brady and the Patriots has left the entire country pissed off. But hey everyone got their schadenfreude and I'm sure it feels good. So enjoy.

Shhh It's alright 18 and 1 is still a good season and he won the MVP. The fact that you think Brady is great under pressure shows how blind you are. The guy didn't know pressure most of the season and as soon as he see's some he folds like a lawn chair.

**nutcase** · 02-07-2008, 08:06 PM

The correct answer to this little argument is that a great o-line makes a difference between a great quarterback and an average one. You put Brady behind the Rams oline and he isn't going to be that great of a QB.

Brady is great - but he has had the right supporting cast to make him great.