18 - NO

**fez** · 02-05-2008, 09:43 AM

**skikola** · 02-05-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

Pats are still the best team in the league

This isn't college football. The best teams are determined by head to head competition, not on paper. The Pats may be remembered as the best team to ever lose the superbowl, which is awesome btw, but they will never be remembered as the best team in the 07-08 season. That would be the NY Football Giants.

**powder11** · 02-05-2008, 03:46 PM

the Pats blowing it is the bigger story and now thats happened, nobody really gives a shit about the superbowl.

**72Twenty** · 02-05-2008, 05:09 PM

Ok, so now the Giants and Patriots both have 3 SB trophies. Does that mean the Giants are a dynasty now too?

**Aldo** · 02-05-2008, 05:49 PM

Funny how that dynasty stuff just went away.

**tuffy109** · 02-05-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by powder11

the Pats blowing it is the bigger story and now thats happened, nobody really gives a shit about the superbowl.

is anyone else seeing posts echo from previous pages?

**fez** · 02-05-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by 72Twenty

Ok, so now the Giants and Patriots both have 3 SB trophies. Does that mean the Giants are a dynasty now too?

as soon as they go less than 20 yrs between SB wins, sure.

Originally Posted by Aldo

Funny how that dynasty stuff just went away.

funny how all the calls for Coughlin's head on a platter and Eli's ass on a bench went away too.
bet you both those and the pats as a dynasty will be back by next year's playoffs.

**powder11** · 02-05-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by tuffy109

is anyone else seeing posts echo from previous pages?

Probably because its the same story... if you'd take Eli's cock out of your mouth for a second I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

**skikola** · 02-05-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by powder11

Probably because its the same story... if you'd take Eli's cock out of your mouth for a second I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

Lets see here.....
Tuffy hasn't exactly had Eli's 'cock in his mouth' in this thread.
This was his prominent post, and I'm happy to quote it, as it rules!

Originally Posted by tuffy109

great seeing peyton get so excited during the game. i assume that's the most pumped i've ever seen a player from a playoff knockout team get watching a game (not that most have tv cameras pointed at them).

did peyton get the mvp last year? is this the first back to back brother mvp's?

one last thing....

fuck you fucking cheating fucks. everyone's happy you lost (including iceaman).

So it appears that you are a bitter pats fan who had nothing to say but tired gay jokes?? niiiiiice.

**skikola** · 02-05-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by fez

funny how all the calls for Coughlin's head on a platter and Eli's ass on a bench went away too.
bet you both those and the pats as a dynasty will be back by next year's playoffs.

If you really truly feel that way, you're just being ignorant. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY intelligent person who would say that Eli's status as the franchise QB of the Giants could be in question, for any reason other than injury. I'll grant you the point about the Pats though. If they roll through the regular season again and get to the SB, the dynasty talk would crop up again.

**Aldo** · 02-05-2008, 10:26 PM

I really enjoyed watching Jim Nance practically make out with Kraft Saturday on air at the FBR. Kraft- " we'll keep it close for the first half for the ratings "

**fez** · 02-05-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by skikola

If you really truly feel that way, you're just being ignorant. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY intelligent person who would say that Eli's status as the franchise QB of the Giants could be in question, for any reason other than injury. I'll grant you the point about the Pats though. If they roll through the regular season again and get to the SB, the dynasty talk would crop up again.

right now? into next season? sure.

through 10 games, hell 15 games this year? come on. you cant tell me you didnt get scared everytime he dropped back to throw. every time the pass rush got anywhere near him and he ran away rather than step up in the pocket. remember that?

were you really excited when coughlin got his extension? really?

remember this eli?

or how about this one?

my little brother for some reason is a giants fan. he claims the real eli is duct taped hand and foot in a broom closet in the meadowlands and an animatronic replacement has been playing since week 15.

now i got to admit, i hate the manning brothers. but did eli really deserve mvp? for one good drive? for one athletic play where he kept his wits around him and didnt freak out like a little girl? the giants offense scored no more points than they averaged all season, they put up no more points than the pats defense gave up all season.

but the defense? holy crap, that was one of the most dominant performances by a defensive line in years. the defense held the pats to their lowest point total all season to something like half their season average. so they cant give it to the whole line, give it to strahan because he's the old man, give it to tuck for two sacks, six tackles and a forced fumble.

but eli? wtf? the giants defense won that game, the offense just didnt lose it.

**idiot** · 02-05-2008, 11:22 PM

fuck the pats......i am glad they lost.....not glad that ny won, just glad to see 18-1

**skikola** · 02-05-2008, 11:54 PM

Fez, you seem to miss an important point; offense isn't just about scoring points. It's about controlling the game. The Giants' first drive of the game was the LONGEST SINGLE DRIVE IN SUPERBOWL HISTORY (almost 10 minutes). A big part of the game plan was to obviously keep Brady on the bench, and Eli won the time of possession battle. Sure, the offense stuttered at points, but that's a credit to the resiliency of the Pats defense. Too bad for them that they couldn't stop Eli's offense when it really mattered though. Eli's performance was WELL deserving of the MVP. Justin Tuck kinda got robbed, but when you're the QB and you control the ball all game and win it in the end, you're guaranteed to get it.

**nutcase** · 02-06-2008, 12:05 AM

Funny how some pats fans are claiming that the Pats are still one of the best teams in football history. This years Pats aren't even in the top 40. Every single team to win the superbowl is a greater team than this years Pats team. There is only one game that matters and if you can't win that one it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what you did in the regular season.

**skikola** · 02-06-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by fez

the giants defense won that game, the offense just didnt lose it.

It occurs to me how absurd this statement is, based on the fact that the offense drove the whole field to score a touchdown in the final minute to win the game. Did you say that because you've been blinded by how spectacular the Pats offense has been and are shocked that they were held to 14 points? Well, Brady got punched in the mouth all night and he couldn't do his thing (see the shots of his eyes watering up after the relentless hits?), while Eli was able to execute and finish when needed. Of course the defense was huge in win, and as I said before, Justin Tuck could have easily gotten the MVP, but to say the offense "didn't lose it" is bullshit and I won't stand for it.

**fez** · 02-06-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by skikola

Fez, you seem to miss an important point; offense isn't just about scoring points. It's about controlling the game. The Giants' first drive of the game was the LONGEST SINGLE DRIVE IN SUPERBOWL HISTORY (almost 10 minutes). A big part of the game plan was to obviously keep Brady on the bench, and Eli won the time of possession battle. Sure, the offense stuttered at points, but that's a credit to the resiliency of the Pats defense. Too bad for them that they couldn't stop Eli's offense when it really mattered though. Eli's performance was WELL deserving of the MVP. Justin Tuck kinda got robbed, but when you're the QB and you control the ball all game and win it in the end, you're guaranteed to get it.

so eli manning got the MVP for ~40 sec TOP advantage?
it wasnt eli who kept the pats offense on the sidelines.

**fez** · 02-06-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by skikola

It occurs to me how absurd this statement is, based on the fact that the offense drove the whole field to score a touchdown in the final minute to win the game. Did you say that because you've been blinded by how spectacular the Pats offense has been and are shocked that they were held to 14 points? Well, Brady got punched in the mouth all night and he couldn't do his thing (see the shots of his eyes watering up after the relentless hits?), while Eli was able to execute and finish when needed. Of course the defense was huge in win, and as I said before, Justin Tuck could have easily gotten the MVP, but to say the offense "didn't lose it" is bullshit and I won't stand for it.

i didnt mean the offense didnt lose it. i meant eli didnt lose it.

listen, the giants are my little brother's team, they were (were, they just joined the bears as my most hated nfl team) the team i cheered for in the nfc.

you can't tell me you werent worried every one of the last 5 games which eli was going to show up. he has had flashes of brilliance over the last two years, but also some flashes of being yet another first round bust.

the defense won the game, plain and simple. if there was ever a superbowl where a defensive player should have had the mvp, it was this one.

**iceman** · 02-06-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by nutcase

Funny how some pats fans are claiming that the Pats are still one of the best teams in football history. This years Pats aren't even in the top 40. Every single team to win the superbowl is a greater team than this years Pats team. There is only one game that matters and if you can't win that one it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what you did in the regular season.

meh.

I don't really believe this, in any sport.

Just because you won the Championship doesn't necessarily mean you were the best team. It means you won the championship. Georgetown was better than Villanova. The Bruins were better than the Canadiens in the early 70's, the Russians were DEFINITELY better than the americans in the '80 Olympics, etc., etc.

Take your championship and be happy with it but the better team did not win and you know it's true.

**skikola** · 02-06-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by fez

you can't tell me you werent worried every one of the last 5 games which eli was going to show up.

Yes, I can. I had confidence that Eli would be solid every game. What I was worried about was the secondary.

Originally Posted by iceman

Just because you won the Championship doesn't necessarily mean you were the best team. It means you won the championship.
Take your championship and be happy with it but the better team did not win and you know it's true.

I see your first point and agree with it. Sometimes the "better team" does not play to their potential in the championship. I see how one could argue that this was the case with the Patriots.
However, I would make the case that the Giants evolved into a better team than the Patriots over the course of the playoffs. I would say that the Giants looked like a better football team than the Patriots looked over their respective playoff games, and of course in head-to-head competition in the Super Bowl. In the regular season, the Patriots were the better team, obviously. But in the playoffs, the only time that matters, the Giants were clearly the better team. The Patriots could not sustain the level of play that they exhibited over the course of the regular season. Slow and steady wins the race.