Running, Anyone...?

[mrryde]

i love it when 10 miles feels easy. i love the long run.

I listened to the Pheddipations podcast today, i thought it would suck, but it didn't

[montanaskier]

Mrs. Montanaskier is running the Teva series Vail Half Marathon on Sunday. It is actually 14 miles and gains 4070 feet in elevation. She ran the Boston Marathon this year in 3:32 and hopes to finish this 14 miler in 3....elevation is a bitch.

Wife finished in 2:48. Good enough for 8th in her age class. Top woman was a 48 y.o. in 2:06. Congrats to Mrs. Yellow....you rock!

[road trip]

^^^^ agree with the luv when the long run comes easy. Although mine this weekend wasn't the easiest; I did my "hill circuit" which obviously goes a bit tougher than the regular ole long run.

I need to work on eating better. Nothing more to elaborate on...

[Tuckerman]

looking forward to the TR

Seconded

[Tuckerman]

I just got home from running the Speed Goat 50k. That course seemed like a mini version of the HR. There was about 10500 feet of climbing! I had a finishing time of 8:56.

Great time

The winner (a very fast women) finished in 6:30ish!

Was it Danelle Ballengee?

People we puking all over the place and it seemed like lots of DNF's.

That sounds awesome.


My race is on Saturday the people that I have to interact with can't wait till it's over especially my wife. Its hard for me to have fun or be friendly to anyone with in three weeks of race day. I don't now why, all I want to concentrate on is training, nutrition and proper sleep. I'm not sure that my wife will let me do this again next year and I may have ruined my chances of a fight in the spring.

[Tuckerman]

Looks like they have changed the race that is five days away. This is makes training difficult.
""As I am writing this last newsletter on July 22nd , we basically had 2 days of sunshine in the last 30 days. The course is wet and muddy. Be ready for serious fun and slow going.

Once again some adjustment had to be made on the course in order to remain offroad and avoid running through the golf course that is now completed and operational.. Consequently you will be running approximately an extra 15 minutes in the brook before reaching the base of Jay Peak( Aid Station # 2). As you will be coming down Jay Peak, the lower part of the trail has also been changed by a bushwack/Dan special in order to avoid the golf course again. Take note that this will NOT bring you back to the base of Jay Peak at aid station 4 but in the middle of nowhere. Therefore if you have a drop offbag at Aid station # 2 will only be able to access that bag at aid # 2 and no longer at Aid # 4 like last year.

As I was setting up the Swamp section, the???BEAVER??? have completely change the landscape and I was force to re route the course in order to give you a COMPLETE swamp/beaver dam experience.

With those changes, the 1/2 marathon should now be 19.5 miles as oppose to 18.5 and 33 miles instead of 31.6 for the full Marathon. My estimation is that the course is 30 minutes slower this year and I will consequently increase the cutoff time to 6.00 hours from 5.30 at the 1/2 point or mile 19.5."

[mrryde]

Looks like they have changed the race that is five days away. This is makes training difficult.
""As I am writing this last newsletter on July 22nd , we basically had 2 days of sunshine in the last 30 days. The course is wet and muddy. Be ready for serious fun and slow going.

Once again some adjustment had to be made on the course in order to remain offroad and avoid running through the golf course that is now completed and operational.. Consequently you will be running approximately an extra 15 minutes in the brook before reaching the base of Jay Peak( Aid Station # 2). As you will be coming down Jay Peak, the lower part of the trail has also been changed by a bushwack/Dan special in order to avoid the golf course again. Take note that this will NOT bring you back to the base of Jay Peak at aid station 4 but in the middle of nowhere. Therefore if you have a drop offbag at Aid station # 2 will only be able to access that bag at aid # 2 and no longer at Aid # 4 like last year.

As I was setting up the Swamp section, the???BEAVER??? have completely change the landscape and I was force to re route the course in order to give you a COMPLETE swamp/beaver dam experience.

With those changes, the 1/2 marathon should now be 19.5 miles as oppose to 18.5 and 33 miles instead of 31.6 for the full Marathon. My estimation is that the course is 30 minutes slower this year and I will consequently increase the cutoff time to 6.00 hours from 5.30 at the 1/2 point or mile 19.5."

this sounds like torture, in a fun muddy way

[Strider]

Great time


Was it Danelle Ballengee?

Not a bad time for my first Ultra.

The winner was Petra McDowell!

[mrryde]

Anybody use Accelerade? What do you think? I started using it recently and today was the only time i experienced any gastro issues after my run.

I have heard that it has that effect on some people. I am trying to move away from gatorade.

[Tuckerman]

Anybody use Accelerade? What do you think? I started using it recently and today was the only time i experienced any gastro issues after my run.

I have heard that it has that effect on some people. I am trying to move away from gatorade.

I just stared and that stuff works well. It's strange because it's whey which is milk but its refreshing. There is a buy one get one free coupon on their web site.

[Strider]

Anybody use Accelerade? What do you think? I started using it recently and today was the only time i experienced any gastro issues after my run.

I have heard that it has that effect on some people. I am trying to move away from gatorade.

I've had trouble with Accelerade in the past and moved to EFS by First Endurance. No problems with the EFS or the recovery drink Ultragen.

[mrryde]

i am gonna try the EFS, i like that it has aminos instead of complete proteins, makes sense to me

[Tuckerman]

The Jay XC Challenge was super fun and vary difficult. But I meet my goal of beating last years time. Last year the race was 18.5 miles and this year it was closer to 20 miles. Last year I just wanted to finish which I did in 5 hours and this year I just wanted to beat last years time time which I did this year it took 3 hours and 39 mins. Next year I will either run the extra 10 miles to finish the full or place in the top three of the 20 mile. Anyway I came in 10th over all and hope to maybe run the Vermont 50 in the fall. here are the results as posted on coolrunning.com. Oh looks like I was 8th in my age group of 0-39 what kind of age group is that? The full list can be found here.

[road trip]

The Jay XC Challenge was super fun and vary difficult. But I meet my goal of beating last years time.

Congrats! I hope you are resting up now... that must have wiped you out! I'm feeling beat just thinking about it.

Anything on the calendar for the rest of the year?

[Tuckerman]

Congrats! I hope you are resting up now... that must have wiped you out! I'm feeling beat just thinking about it.

Anything on the calendar for the rest of the year?

Well maybe the Vermont 50 I'd run the 50K. September 30th

also
Manchester City Marathon Nov. 4th just to see if I can qualify for Boston and that will end my road Marathon career. I took up running to stay fit and Marathoners are not my kind of fit.

And there is a race at Bolton Valley Ski area with a walkers/hikers devision that I may do because my wife and 8yo would also be able to enter in the fun.

[road trip]

Well maybe the Vermont 50 I'd run the 50K. September 30th

also
Manchester City Marathon Nov. 4th just to see if I can qualify for Boston and that will end my road Marathon career. I took up running to stay fit and Marathoners are not my kind of fit.

And there is a race at Bolton Valley Ski area with a walkers/hikers devision that I may do because my wife and 8yo would also be able to enter in the fun.

Vermont 50k = 31 miles?? That would be pretty impressive... still have enough time to train for it?? Or have you been running enough that you'd only have to tweak your schedule / ramp up your mileage?

I've got the NYC 1/2 coming up this weekend. I'm not too concerned about the race itself... ran 12 on Saturday w/o issue... but the logistics of getting to my starting area by 6:15 AM seem problematic!!

[steve]

Vermont 50k = 31 miles?? That would be pretty impressive... still have enough time to train for it?? Or have you been running enough that you'd only have to tweak your schedule / ramp up your mileage?

Speaking of 50ks, does anyone want to do this 50K with me?
http://www.thenorthface.com/enduranc..._overview.html

I won't be properly prepared, but I will have fun!

-steve

[Tuckerman]

Speaking of 50ks, does anyone want to do this 50K with me?
http://www.thenorthface.com/enduranc..._overview.html

I won't be properly prepared, but I will have fun!

-steve

I would love to but I'm not sure that I can afford another long weekend at a race and that far away. Although Ct. is basically flat....

[Tuckerman]

Game face from the Jay Challenge.

[road trip]

What a good time that was!

As with all large runs, the story was hurry up and wait in the morning. I didn't sleep a wink on Saturday night for fear that I would oversleep the alarm clock. Got up and outside by 4:30 AM waiting for my ride... we were through the Lincoln Tunnel a little after 5 AM.

The parking garage that my friend researched and reserved on 95th was actually closed at that time, in conflict with what it's website said, but after driving around a few blocks, we found a place to park. Feeling a bit behind our schedule, we hurried across the park to the starting area, fighting to keep the turtle's head from popping out! (ewwww) Run here... sit down, put on shoes... run there... get water... run there... hand in baggage... run over there... get in line for the john. Finally, standing in line at 6:15 AM for the 7 AM start.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock... (okay, I used that time to stretch)

The race started and I was about 3 minutes off of clock time by the time I crossed the start. Two days prior, I stopped into the expo and picked up my pace bracelet amongst other things - - 1:35:00 pace. Figured I'd shoot for something. The bracelet was pretty cool, actually, because it was based on the topography of the course, so they gave you times based on that as opposed to just averaging out the entire run. Unfortunately, what they didn't base it on was the fighthing of crowds at the beginning. For a 1:35:00 1/2 marathon, I needed to average a 7:15 mile... my first two miles were both around 8 minutes each as I was fighting through the crowds. I picked it up after that and logged a bunch of low 7 minute miles, but it seems the 7:15 pace was a bit fast for me.

Running a loop and a 1/4 in the park took a lot longer than I thought.. but when I turned out of Central Park onto 7th Avenue, I certainly got a nice kick. 7th Ave was packed with people and bands and just running into Times Square was awesome. Too bad it was over so quickly! We made a right onto 42nd Street and said, "hello Mr. Headwind!" and then turned down the West Side Highway to finish it off. "Hello, Mr. Hot Sun."

My energy reserves started to deplete and around miles 10 and 11 I switched over running on grit. I was proud of my kick at the end and finished in full stride at 1:39:12... not quite the 1:35:00 I was shooting for, but I'm pleased with it! Now if I had to turn around and run it back, I would have been in trouble. Thankfully, there's a lot of time left to train for the full marathon in November!

My splits: 5k - 27:04; 10k - 50:11; 15k - 1:13:13; 20k - 1:37:20; Finish - 1:39:12; pace/mile - 7:34

[Tuckerman]

What a good time that was!

As with all large runs, the story was hurry up and wait in the morning. I didn't sleep a wink on Saturday night for fear that I would oversleep the alarm clock. Got up and outside by 4:30 AM waiting for my ride... we were through the Lincoln Tunnel a little after 5 AM.

The parking garage that my friend researched and reserved on 95th was actually closed at that time, in conflict with what it's website said, but after driving around a few blocks, we found a place to park. Feeling a bit behind our schedule, we hurried across the park to the starting area, fighting to keep the turtle's head from popping out! (ewwww) Run here... sit down, put on shoes... run there... get water... run there... hand in baggage... run over there... get in line for the john. Finally, standing in line at 6:15 AM for the 7 AM start.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock... (okay, I used that time to stretch)

The race started and I was about 3 minutes off of clock time by the time I crossed the start. Two days prior, I stopped into the expo and picked up my pace bracelet amongst other things - - 1:35:00 pace. Figured I'd shoot for something. The bracelet was pretty cool, actually, because it was based on the topography of the course, so they gave you times based on that as opposed to just averaging out the entire run. Unfortunately, what they didn't base it on was the fighthing of crowds at the beginning. For a 1:35:00 1/2 marathon, I needed to average a 7:15 mile... my first two miles were both around 8 minutes each as I was fighting through the crowds. I picked it up after that and logged a bunch of low 7 minute miles, but it seems the 7:15 pace was a bit fast for me.

Running a loop and a 1/4 in the park took a lot longer than I thought.. but when I turned out of Central Park onto 7th Avenue, I certainly got a nice kick. 7th Ave was packed with people and bands and just running into Times Square was awesome. Too bad it was over so quickly! We made a right onto 42nd Street and said, "hello Mr. Headwind!" and then turned down the West Side Highway to finish it off. "Hello, Mr. Hot Sun."

My energy reserves started to deplete and around miles 10 and 11 I switched over running on grit. I was proud of my kick at the end and finished in full stride at 1:39:12... not quite the 1:35:00 I was shooting for, but I'm pleased with it! Now if I had to turn around and run it back, I would have been in trouble. Thankfully, there's a lot of time left to train for the full marathon in November!

My splits: 5k - 27:04; 10k - 50:11; 15k - 1:13:13; 20k - 1:37:20; Finish - 1:39:12; pace/mile - 7:34

Nice job man a 7 and a half min. mile is awesome. So what do you think, you'll run just under a 3 hour marathon? You only get faster. 3hr 10min will qualify you for Boston.

[road trip]

Nice job man a 7 and a half min. mile is awesome. So what do you think, you'll run just under a 3 hour marathon? You only get faster. 3hr 10min will qualify you for Boston.

Thanks!

Not quite sure.. I picked 1:35:00 as a goal because I figured it was something to strive for and with the "could I qualify for Boston" question in mind.

I'm glad I ran yesterday as hard as I could because it definitely makes for a good gauge as to where I am. I definitely could not have kept going at that pace though... but I have about 12 weeks of training left.

I have a buddy who has run Boston twice and has run 4 marathons total I think? His first was 3:50, his second 3:07 (to qualify for Boston), and then ran a 3:01 in Boston in 2006 and a 3:20 something last year. He's a physical therapist / owns a PT facility/gym, so is a good resource... I want to talk to him about how to best get fast. Some things I'm thinking about... should I lift? What sort of speed work / interval training should I do? Etc..

My first was San Fran last year in 3:50:45... so I'm hoping to follow in his footsteps.

Right now, I do either striders or 800 meter tempo runs as speed workouts. I think maybe I should turn those 800 meter tempo runs into 1 or 2 mile tempo runs and try to do some lifting to increase muscle endurance.

Oh, and need to practice drinking water while running. That is an art. They had it televised (I Tivo'd) and watching the winner (59:30 = 4:30/mile pace) grab water and drink it without breaking stride at 13 mph was really cool.


Any advice from the collective would be appreciated!!

Oh, and GREAT JOB COURTNEY!

[Viva]

Weights will not make you faster. Stick to some basic upper body routines. Lower body weight training in unnecessary.

Speed work will make you faster.

Long runs will help you to attain endurance.

Check out the local running stores, they ought to know of the various track workout in your area and can give recommendations.

At a water check:

1) slow to a walk
2) grab cup (preferably filled)
3) drink while walking
4) drink as much as necessary
5) start walking fast for a few paces and ramp up into your normal running stride.
6) don't forget to have fun.

Later on, you'll figure out how to drink while running or, like me, you'll carry your own bottle.

[BeanDip4All]

Way to go Gary!!!!!!! Nice writeup as well!

Did really well at my sprint tri this weekend- 5th in my age group! Couldn't believe I was actually that close to the top. Totally confidence booster before IMLOU.

[road trip]

Thanks, Viva! I think what I have to do is do faster speek workouts (as if that shouldn't be obvious!!)

6) don't forget to have fun..

No worries on this one... stay tuned for the NYC 1/2 Marathon version of my "hey, you with the camera!" patented marathon photo. Here is the San Francisco 2006 version:



Got my solo shot ~last 1.5 miles or so on the West Side Highway yesterday!



..and yes, Court, it is just sooooo dorky!!