HD vs. MiniDV

[MOHSHSIHd]

ok....im still sorta confused.


Im planning on getting the Sony HDR-FX7. It uses Mini-DV tapes in Mpeg-2 format.


I can use the super powerful new Macs at school for editing, so i'm really not too worried about my own computer, but I have a Intel MacBook which I will be upgrading to 2gb ram.....

will my little macbook be powerful enough for simple editing of short 5-10 minute movies using an external HD?

any real editing I will be doing on campus with their really powerful computers.

[Trackhead]

HDV is easy to edit with today's computers. It gets slow when you start adding color correction or other 'effects'. These additions to your work flow will slow your playback framerate significantly. So add them at the end of your edit, then render. Render times will slow significantly too, but no big deal.

Editing from external hard drives is no problem with HDV. HDV is only about 11-13gb per hour of footage and editing from externals is a valid workflow.

[MRR]

HDV is easy to edit with today's computers. It gets slow when you start adding color correction or other 'effects'. These additions to your work flow will slow your playback framerate significantly. So add them at the end of your edit, then render. Render times will slow significantly too, but no big deal.

Editing from external hard drives is no problem with HDV. HDV is only about 11-13gb per hour of footage and editing from externals is a valid workflow.

HDV sucks. Shitty MPEG2 compression. Your better off using the DVX100, digitizing and working in a 8-bit uncompressed timeline, running some 55mm filters and some color correction. If your gonna waste your money on HDV you should just get the 200a and shoot true I-frame tapless HD.

[advres]

HDV sucks. Shitty MPEG2 compression. Your better off using the DVX100, digitizing and working in a 8-bit uncompressed timeline, running some 55mm filters and some color correction. If your gonna waste your money on HDV you should just get the 200a and shoot true I-frame tapless HD.

There is no such thing as "digitizing" footage from a DVX100 asshole. It is called capturing. The camera "digitizes" the image when it is recorded. The computer capture card and codec "captures" the digitized media. Digitize means turning something from analog to digital, which is already done inside the camera.

quit trolling about things you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[MRR]

There is no such thing as "digitizing" footage from a DVX100 asshole. It is called capturing. The camera "digitizes" the image when it is recorded. The computer capture card and codec "captures" the digitized media. Digitize means turning something from analog to digital, which is already done inside the camera.

quit trolling about things you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll put my skills up against yours anyday. Did you just finish your internship?

The point is that HDV sucks.

[advres]

I've been out of college for years dumb fuck. I worked on a smoke/flame system that you would never even be able to afford let alone use. I think I know what I am talking about.

And you cunting up a thread about the difference between DV and HDV with P2 is just nonsence. I think if the person was thinking about a cheap DV or HDV cam going for the P2 is just ludicrous. Most people can't afford all of the space needed to store all of that footage. Do you know how much P2 cards cost? Do you know how much firestores cost? Do you know how much a RAID array for this costs. It is economical for a business to go this route, but for the standard person looking to shoot some stuff and edit small pieces together, HDV is a much more economical and smarter choice.

And since you asked what CGI standed for in the other thread, I will guarantee I know a bit more about the subject then you.

Don't worry, if this is dankhucker again, you will be banned by tomorrow.

[MRR]

I've been out of college for years dumb fuck. I worked on a smoke/flame system that you would never even be able to afford let alone use. I think I know what I am talking about.

And you cunting up a thread about the difference between DV and HDV with P2 is just nonsence. I think if the person was thinking about a cheap DV or HDV cam going for the P2 is just ludicrous. Most people can't afford all of the space needed to store all of that footage. Do you know how much P2 cards cost? Do you know how much firestores cost? Do you know how much a RAID array for this costs. It is economical for a business to go this route, but for the standard person looking to shoot some stuff and edit small pieces together, HDV is a much more economical and smarter choice.

And since you asked what CGI standed for in the other thread, I will guarantee I know a bit more about the subject then you.

Don't worry, if this is dankhucker again, you will be banned by tomorrow.

I have a firestore, I have a 200a and I have a RAID array. I told the dude to stick with the 100a. I said if your gonna waste your money on HDV then you may as well take it to the next step and go P2.

When is HD not HD?


When its HDV!

[MRR]

Don't worry, if this is dankhucker again, you will be banned by tomorrow.

better go run and tell the big bad suit then......

[advres]

don't worry... I will. I wouldn't mind if you didn't act like such a bitch all of the time, but you make this place completely unenjoyable.

[Tippster]

When is HD not HD?


When its HDV!

You're right in principle (albeit coming across... errr... "dickish") but for what the OP wants to do HDV is far better than MiniDV.

[Gerome]

The Great HD Camera Shoot Out

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...Conclusion.htm

Here's a great camera shootout for consumer cameras including; Canon HV20, Sony HDR-HC7, Panasonic HDI-SD1, and JVC GZ-HD7.

Camcorderinfo bias is towards the image and manual functions.

The Sony FX7 looks like an amazing camera, but I don't want to beat on a $2500 camera, and the prohibitive size wouldn't fit in my kayak. That, and the fact is that I could produce better video if I improve on my video skills than if I got my hands on a prosumer camera.

After reading the review. I'm now down to Sony HC7 or the Canon HV20 or HV10, leaning heavily towards the HC7.

[MOHSHSIHd]

I love my HDR-FX7. Can't see myself using anything other than a sony, cause I am used to their menu styles/controls and my Digital Cinema professor has been using the FX1 and now the FX7 and knows all the little ins and outs to them...

[Gerome]

Woot Woot!!! I got a huge box delivered to work today. It looks like $1500 bucks of fun: a Sony HDR-HC7 (the camera is smaller than it felt at the store & I'm stoked it'll fit in my existing baby pelican box), a waterproof aquapak, a manfroto/bogen tripod w the 701R head(scary big, scary heavy, yikes), and a .45 wide angle lens. Score one for stable consumer high definition video of dropping big ski lines and dropping big waterfalls in kayaks.

Thanks to everyone that posted feedback and posted their examples of quality videos.

[MOHSHSIHd]

Be sure to post up the results when you get some ski footage, as will I once its deep enough.

[yoyoma]

Roger Carter, right?

The DVX100 is a fantastic camera and will provide you with a wonderful image that is only deficient for a broadcast quality picture, although it can still do even that.

A few things: As Roger will tell you, HDV is a combersome, poorly designed format that is on its way out. It is also very difficult to edit in. If you are going for HD, wait a bit until the format has advanced beyond HDV compression. Also wait to buy a camera that uses a more standard (read: cheap) flash memory then the currently popular P2.

I love the DVX100 -- it is the best quality MiniDV ever made and that ever will be made.

I also realize that you have made your decision decision already, but I just wanted to drop my two cents.

Edit: by the way, take advanced digital post with Chris Osborn, or if it's not offered, as him about editing all that HDV.

[MOHSHSIHd]

Roger Carter, right?

The DVX100 is a fantastic camera and will provide you with a wonderful image that is only deficient for a broadcast quality picture, although it can still do even that.

A few things: As Roger will tell you, HDV is a combersome, poorly designed format that is on its way out. It is also very difficult to edit in. If you are going for HD, wait a bit until the format has advanced beyond HDV compression. Also wait to buy a camera that uses a more standard (read: cheap) flash memory then the currently popular P2.

I love the DVX100 -- it is the best quality MiniDV ever made and that ever will be made.

I also realize that you have made your decision decision already, but I just wanted to drop my two cents.

Edit: by the way, take advanced digital post with Chris Osborn, or if it's not offered, as him about editing all that HDV.

Yep, good old Roger. I am happy with my camera though....I am not having much trouble editing it on this system either.

I am taking Creative Digital 4600 with Dan Boord and I am really learning alot using my new camera on the projects.


Just got back from my Nathaniel Dorsky workshop which is going on the for the next month. Its fucking fantastic to have who IMO is one of the best living cinematographers personally critiquing my work. We get to shoot all we want for free (stock and processing is paid for) and we are shooting the new 50D "01" color negative and its color is unreal...

[yoyoma]

If you want to work as a pa or something on my 4500 narrative the second weekend in November, shoot me a pm.

[kidwoo]

but for what the OP wants to do HDV is far better than MiniDV.

A few things: As Roger will tell you, HDV is a combersome, poorly designed format that is on its way out. It is also very difficult to edit in. If you are going for HD, wait a bit until the format has advanced beyond HDV compression. Also wait to buy a camera that uses a more standard (read: cheap) flash memory then the currently popular P2.

I love the DVX100 -- it is the best quality MiniDV ever made and that ever will be made.

Both of you know more than me.

I've been feeding the piggy bank for a DVX-100B. I get the impression that you and tippster would be at odds regarding miniDV vs HDV.

Should I continue in the pursuit or start thinking about HDV?

I'd like to hear from both of you

This is the last vid I made if you care. Other than refusing to shoot without a tripod or steadicam in the future, I'm not sure my aspirations exceed this kind of stuff.

http://kidwoo.com/images/movies/jury%20hat%20tricks.wmv

[Gerome]

Alright, so I'm off to India with my dad on Saturday. I'm going to some tourist traps like the Taj Mahal, then off to look for tigers in some parks and finally an overnight wilderness withewater rafting and kayaking trip.

I'm taking my new Sony HDV cam, a p+s digital, and my dad will have his Nikon F-100 with several lenses, I esecially like the 400mm with image stabilization for animals.

I'm anticipating some really flat light, especially in Delhi. It seems standard to find huge inland cities near the equator socked in with permanent overcast, haze and smog. While I think the smog helps create awesome sunsets, I'm trying to figure out how to optimize video and photography.

So far I get some of the basics:
- don't shoot during the middle of the day
- use velvia for landscape
- gradational ND filters help sky detail (except I can't find one for my video camera)
- avoid shooting directly into sunlight

Am I missing anything? Any other hints about dealing with horribly flat light?

[Tippster]

Get something like a Tiffen Haze 1 filter. They actually do work, but don't expect anything drastic.

[Trackhead]

A few things: As Roger will tell you, HDV is a combersome, poorly designed format that is on its way out. It is also very difficult to edit in. If you are going for HD, wait a bit until the format has advanced beyond HDV compression.

Edit: by the way, take advanced digital post with Chris Osborn, or if it's not offered, as him about editing all that HDV.

I don't find it cumbersome at all, atleast with intermediary codecs such as Cineform. Color correction, rendering, frame rate playback, no compromises at all. Perhaps two years ago, but not today.

Just my opinion of course.