Pow Plus mounting point for powder.

**Phill** · 04-12-2007, 02:06 PM

I just got a pair of 190 pow+'s from squatch (thanks man, check is on the way!) and was wondering where to mount them. I bought these skis for powder to perform better than my squads in pow while skiing similarly. I am 6'3-6'4 and 178-180lbs (hopefully increasing though) and I do not want any tip dive at ALL. NONE, I ski in the PNW and the snow is very heavy, if the tip goes under you go down. So I am wondering where I should moun them inorder to have best pow pow performance.

**mntlion** · 04-12-2007, 02:08 PM

1-2cm back of the mounting point.

mount them back = more float, less over the bars, less turny

**Phill** · 04-12-2007, 02:15 PM

Ya i was going to mount them back, just wondering how much.

**davep** · 04-12-2007, 04:37 PM

I have to disagree... I found that with my 180s (smaller size I know) mounted on the line, I could never sink the tips in heavy snow.

I ski these in tahoe - so usually wet dense stuff, they are great. The one time we had superlight blower, I did have some tip dive issues (hard to decamber such a stiff ski in light snow)

So on that blower day, I played with the demo bindings to see if I could get them floating better with a rearward mount. At 1.2cm behind the line they did float better, but turned like shit, and I wouldn't recomend it. This comes from a guy who usually likes back-mounted bindings. The line is already pretty far back on these.

Marshal usually recommends mounting on the line on 180s, and +1.5 on 190s. I'd say on the line on 190s would make them pretty unsinkable.

If you still have tip dive issues just spatulate them

**comish** · 04-12-2007, 04:51 PM

I have definitely had tip dive issues on a pair of 180's mounted +1.

Have another pair that never really got ridden this year mounted with demo bindings. Rode them 1/2 day in super deep and them tips were diving, but it was about 2-3 feet of fresh so most tips would. That being said BillH's EHP's weren't diving. I had them -1 probably before we called it a day.

I think the tips of the Pow +'s being so stiff, can be difficult getting them them not dive...

Oh yeah, I'm 5'9" and about 165ish.

**davep** · 04-12-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by comish

That being said BillH's EHP's weren't diving.

I'm rockering my pow+ tips on the deck right now...

Squatch · 04-12-2007, 05:43 PM

Glad yer stoked on the skis.

I would caution you on mounting back from the line, simply because that is a LOT of ski. And this is coming from a 240 lb guy who skis BDs as an everyday ski.

**addict** · 04-12-2007, 05:59 PM

Totally depends on the skier, no?

ps. Is there another pair

Squatch · 04-12-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by addict

Totally depends on the skier, no?

ps. Is there another pair

Sorry, nope. Although if you're serious I could redirect you to somebody who was hoarding. Or you could pick up a pair of plate-version BDs, which I highly recommend. Just rip the plate and put some drivers on.

As for "depending on the skier" yeah, I suppose, but chances are you won't be able drive them even on the line, let alone back.

**Phill** · 04-12-2007, 06:16 PM

very stoked on the skis the topsheet looks sweet.

Like the flex. Tips are softer than my squads but ski gets very stiff under foot.

**marshalolson** · 04-12-2007, 07:00 PM

FWIW, i would NEVER mount a 190 pow + back. i skied both of my pairs at +1.5 and that was $. more back and they blow ass in trees and tighter spots. i never dove my tips, and i am for sure a shovel driving kind of skier.

those things rock. you'll dig them. super super stable, turny enough, and a money flex pattern.

**Phill** · 04-12-2007, 07:04 PM

So how did they do in pow at +1.5? If they did well for you at 40-45lbs more than me I'd mount them right there no hesitation.

also they kind of have a disgusting amount of camber for a pow ski, anyone have any ideas on how to help it settle out. According to squatch the skis have only been skied a few times so maybe it'll leave on its own. Im not looking to rocker them like laser did but more to pre maturely "age it" a little.

Edit: A note on both the mounting question and the Camber question. I do not go heliskiing and I do not live in alaska. There is a very real possibilty that these skis are likely to be skiing wind scoured ice on the way to the powder and in the same run as the powder, thats why I got these over a ski like the pontoon. So I dont want these to be useless on hardpack

**marshalolson** · 04-12-2007, 07:07 PM

ski them. they settle a bit.

and they are not powder skis. they are fat, hard charging skis. they stomp airs and make big fast turns. that said, they should float you a better than a squad. +10mm and a bit softer tip.

super super fun skis.

and like i said, i never stuffed the tip, and am for sure one who pressures the shovel hard.

**Phill** · 04-12-2007, 07:14 PM

Thanks a bunch, looks like I'll go with them at +1.5 then.

And I was aware of what this ski was and wasnt before I bought it, I wasnt looking for a lazy pow ski. If the ski demends a lot, I can give it alot. (I hope)