"48% of the American public rejects the scientific theory of evolution"

**Optimus_Prime** · 03-31-2007, 09:02 PM

what is wrong with rejecting it, it is there opinion. I believe in both

**adam** · 03-31-2007, 09:04 PM

Rent Jesus Camp. There's a scene in it where a mother declares that if you look at the facts that creationism is the only possibility to her poor, disillusioned son.

Blind faith is such a wonderful thing.

**Powow** · 03-31-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime

what is wrong with rejecting it, it is there opinion. I believe in both

Some opinions are stupid.

**adam** · 03-31-2007, 09:12 PM

Whats awesome is when Christians compensate their beliefs for shit like intelligent design.

**Crass3000** · 03-31-2007, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by stihletto

Oh pipe down you fucking JONG

**Snowy Wintergarden** · 03-31-2007, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

Apparently they didn't teach 2nd grade grammar at your "formal" institution.

Are you criticizing his use of "their"? 'Cause he's right.

**TJ.Brk** · 03-31-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by dipstik

I honestly do not know what to say about the results of this new poll. I am utterly and completely baffled.

34 percent of college graduates say they accept the Biblical account of creation as fact.

Newsweek poll:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17879317/site/newsweek/

Excuse me. But What's wrong with people having Faith?

**Blurred** · 03-31-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Snowy Wintergarden

Are you criticizing his use of "their"? 'Cause he's right.

Put down one more for "the plane won't take off"

In Crass3000 words,

"your right".

**adam** · 03-31-2007, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by TJ.Brk

Excuse me. But What's wrong with people having Faith?

blind faith

**boredboiseboy** · 03-31-2007, 09:40 PM

Ok, you guys have some serious misinformation here. Evolution doesn't mean "we all evolved from a single celled organism". Darwin saw that several animals looked similar to each other, and came to the conclusion that organisms with adventitious traits were better suited to their living conditions, and enjoyed better reproductive success. That is what evolution is, the change in allele frequency in a population due to selective pressure.

Now, Logically if two populations of an the same species that are in radically different habitats over time are going to exhibit change due to selective pressure, and over enough time they will change enough that they are no longer able to interbreed, at which point they will become different species. This process is called Speciation. Evolution is a change in genetics due to selective pressure that over time creates enough change to cause speciation.

As for the belief that all organisms share a combined ancestor, that is also fairly well proven by recent sequencing of nucleic, ribosomal and mitocondrial DNA/RNA of different organisms, by morphology, and by the fossil record. There is a also a decent fossil and DNA/RNA record of the evolution of humans from primates. There is very strong evidence that shows there is a link from early primates to monkeys, to apes to australopithcines then to early hominids and then anatomically modern humans. If you take the time to do your research and study these things with an open mind you can see that scientists aren't trying to devalue your religious convictions..

I would like to point out that ID isn't a scientific theory. Its a religious belief (that I believe in btw) and is no way or sort testable by scientific method. Its sad that people try to force it down the throats of teachers and scientists, when it belongs in a religion or theology debate..

on..

**TJ.Brk** · 03-31-2007, 09:41 PM

Someone wrote that "God created the Heavens and Earth in 7 days and 7 nights. But what is a day to God?

**Snowy Wintergarden** · 03-31-2007, 09:41 PM

Here's a link that will raise the level of this conversation:

NPR's Fresh Air from WHYY, March 28, 2007 ·

In his most recent book, British scientist Richard Dawkins writes about the irrationality of a belief in God, examines God in all his forms and sets down his arguments for atheism. The book is The God Delusion.

Dawkins is a professor of "the public understanding of science" at Oxford University.

The New York Times Book Review has hailed him as a writer who "understands the issues so clearly that he forces his reader to understand them too."

Listen to him - click here and then click LISTEN under his name

**boredboiseboy** · 03-31-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Powow

Some opinions are stupid.

Not at all. You can prove evolution is real, but you can't disprove that there is a higher power. Prove god doesn't exist through scientific testing, and then you can call people stupid.

**TJ.Brk** · 03-31-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by adam

blind faith

Son I've been with close friends in a bad situation where faith is all we had to get us through. And it did

**Mofro261** · 03-31-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by TJ.Brk

Excuse me. But What's wrong with people having Faith?

Thank you George Michael.

edit: and thank you adam for changing the soundtrack in my head.

**TJ.Brk** · 03-31-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Snowy Wintergarden

Here's a link that will raise the level of this conversation:

NPR's Fresh Air from WHYY, March 28, 2007 ·

In his most recent book, British scientist Richard Dawkins writes about the irrationality of a belief in God, examines God in all his forms and sets down his arguments for atheism. The book is The God Delusion.

Dawkins is a professor of "the public understanding of science" at Oxford University.

The New York Times Book Review has hailed him as a writer who "understands the issues so clearly that he forces his reader to understand them too."

Listen to him - click here and then click LISTEN under his name

OK then. I guess this makes him your all knowing, and all seeing God

**adam** · 03-31-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by boredboiseboy

Not at all. You can prove evolution is real, but you can't disprove that there is a higher power. Prove god doesn't exist through scientific testing, and then you can call people stupid.

But the thing is there is no more proof that there is a Santa Claus than there is that theres a God.

**TJ.Brk** · 03-31-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mofro261

Thank you George Michael.

edit: and thank you adam for changing the soundtrack in my head.

Bastard now you stuck fucking Georgie boy michel's music in my head. Please God let the disco go away

**Crass3000** · 03-31-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

Apparently they didn't teach 2nd grade grammar at your "formal" institution.

Originally Posted by BlurredElevens

I know your obsessed with your "looks")

What was that saying???? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

**Blurred** · 03-31-2007, 09:48 PM

What odds are better?

That our existence is a fluke, or that God really exists.

(and when I say God, it's not the fictional character man invented to control the masses)

**boredboiseboy** · 03-31-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by adam

But the thing is there is no more proof that there is a Santa Claus than there is that theres a God.

Thats why its called faith. Rationalism and Logic are all fine and good, but they aren't the end all of human reality. Rationalism and Logic don't give us art, or help us appreciate a beautiful sunset, ect ect..

**Blurred** · 03-31-2007, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Crass3000

What was that saying???? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

Not getting any attention from the post you put so much time in to?

Toughen up cracka.

**TJ.Brk** · 03-31-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by adam

But the thing is there is no more proof that there is a Santa Claus than there is that theres a God.

WTF. There is no Santa. No you are wrong. You have been a bad boy and you want to bring the dream of Santa down. Shame on you.

**adam** · 03-31-2007, 09:54 PM

Hey, I'm all for having beliefs and what not and creativity. But theres a point where faith becomes stupidity. You have to reconsider what you believe in a little.