Look/Rossi Turntable Question

Squatch · 03-22-2007, 02:38 PM

Yes, I know, tech talk. But I'm leaving in two hours and due to a boot fuck-up, the pair of skis I'd like to be on for the next week is not drilled for right length.

My question: how far out can you set the forward pressure screws on turntable heels (P18, FKS, etc). I just discovered that you can unscrew them to the point where you can see the threads, I'll be that's not safe, but what is the max safe point? If it matters, I'm a heavy guy (240) and am set at 12, and I'd rather not break these bindings.

**bdog** · 03-22-2007, 03:04 PM

Not much forward pressure latitude in FKS / P18 heels. Seeing threads is certainly beyond limits on adjustment. If you can get to a shop and test the adjustment with a Vermont tester or ski tronic that would be best. Adjust for your current boot, set the release setting to that desired and then test for the proper torque. If it passes then I'd think you could ski the rig with reasonable confidance.

Squatch · 03-22-2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by bdog

Not much forward pressure latitude in FKS / P18 heels. Seeing threads is certainly beyond limits on adjustment. If you can get to a shop and test the adjustment with a Vermont tester or ski tronic that would be best. Adjust for your current boot, set the release setting to that desired and then test for the proper torque. If it passes then I'd think you could ski the rig with reasonable confidance.

I'm relatively confident that no shop would approve of the way I set my shit. Also, you severely underestimate the abilities of the tools on hand at the moment (various screwdrivers).

**bdog** · 03-22-2007, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Squatch

I'm relatively confident that no shop would approve of the way I set my shit. Also, you severely underestimate the abilities of the tools on hand at the moment (various screwdrivers).

Probably not. Guess it depends on the shop and who's working there and how well they know you etc. Then I suppose if you could go to a shop with testing tools then you could remount the heel too. anyway, best of luck. I suppose you could always click in, have someone stand on the ski and then twist out. That might give you some idea of how much fwd pressure you have. Not sure I would try the forward lean test that way though

BTW there is quite a bit you can do with screwdrives. My first "repair kit" for my VW (eons ago) was a large claw hammer, a really long standard screwdriver and one smaller phillips and a really big adjustable wrench! If I couldn't fix it with the wrench and screw drivers I could then beat it into submission with the hammer!

Squatch · 03-22-2007, 03:26 PM

Oh no doubt on the tools bit. I also have a decent powerdrill and, if the going gets tough, "The Persuader" (hammer).

The turntable heels are interesting in that the forward pressure spring is not mechanically connected to the adjustment. Basically the entire heel unit is on the forward pressure spring, and the bars on the heel screw in or out to change the length. So right now the forward pressure is fine (actually lower than I'd like) but I'm specifically worried about the stress of skiing doing something to the bars. If they aren't threaded in enough, I feel like that might damage them. I guess that's the question: how far out is too far out?

**corn dog** · 03-22-2007, 03:28 PM

Isn't he just asking how far you can unwind them? Bigger boots -> unwind the screws -> get correct forward pressure again. (Assuming you want that white plastic tab to push back just a little and line up with the bump on the lower housing?) No need for release testing.

ttj

edit, yup

**Professor** · 03-22-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Squatch

I'm relatively confident that no shop would approve of the way I set my shit.

Just an FYI. If a shop wont test your stuff at the DIN level you have set. Turn it down to the appropriate level, test it and see if it passes. If so it is working properly and you can turn it to whatever you feel like. If a binding passes inspection at 7 or 8 it is working just fine. Oh and back to the question, there are marks on the tubes that show how far you can adjust the heel for different boot sizes. Go outside that and you are on your own.....

Squatch · 03-22-2007, 03:42 PM

the shop thing was not related to DIN but rather how my forward pressure is set.

I was looking at some other ones and I think it'll be fine. I'll just run the forward pressure a little high.

**Professor** · 03-22-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Squatch

the shop thing was not related to DIN but rather how my forward pressure is set.

I was looking at some other ones and I think it'll be fine. I'll just run the forward pressure a little high.

Gotcha. But note that if the forward pressure is not set correctly the binding will not release at the proper level for whatever DIN you have it set at. For proper release function the whole system has to be set right. If something is not working properly the entire system is not working properly. Just a note... Now back to the regularly scheduled chronicles of the "HS ski off"

**Tippster** · 03-22-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Professor

Gotcha. But note that if the forward pressure is not set correctly the binding will not release at the proper level for whatever DIN you have it set at. For proper release function the whole system has to be set right. If something is not working properly the entire system is not working properly. Just a note... Now back to the regularly scheduled chronicles of the "HS ski off"

You mean Binding Manufacturers actually know what they're doing? That's just crazy talk.

Squatch · 03-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Professor

Gotcha. But note that if the forward pressure is not set correctly the binding will not release at the proper level for whatever DIN you have it set at. For proper release function the whole system has to be set right. If something is not working properly the entire system is not working properly. Just a note... Now back to the regularly scheduled chronicles of the "HS ski off"

Don't you tele?

I'm aware. Don't worry, my skis still come off when they should.

**Professor** · 03-22-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Squatch

Don't you tele?

I'm aware. Don't worry, my skis still come off when they should.

Well I usually ski on tele binders if that is your question

But in a former life I worked as a bootfitter and tech. BTW on a little side note, I bet the lack of adjustment on turntables is a BIG factor in their ultimate demise

**slim** · 03-22-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Professor

Oh and back to the question, there are marks on the tubes that show how far you can adjust the heel for different boot sizes. Go outside that and you are on your own.....

There are 3 hash marks on the tubes. The middle hash mark is the factory set-point. The inner and outer are what you want to stay within. It's something like 8mm of total adjustment range. Not alot but enough to account for different bootsole lengths due to different boot models/manufacturers of the same size.

**bossass** · 03-22-2007, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by slim

There are 3 hash marks on the tubes. The middle hash mark is the factory set-point. The inner and outer are what you want to stay within. It's something like 8mm of total adjustment range. Not alot but enough to account for different bootsole lengths due to different boot models/manufacturers of the same size.

I concur.

I don't know much about these bindings actually. The current look/rossi manuals don't really cover them and the older ones were written by five year olds I think.

As long as were on the subject, how do you set the forward pressue on these heels. I asked this question a long time ago and nobody really had an answer. I've been adjusting the length by the action on the dildo when you snap the boot in for years. Hasn't failed me yet, but I'd like to know to actually set it.

**Xover** · 03-22-2007, 11:22 PM

boss(dumb)ass,

read a post then smoke crack .... see Slim's previous post ... other than him providing pictures for your illiterate-ass he pretty much spells it out