Ceiling Goverment Watches You Masturbate

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Last edited by TGR Admin : Today at 09:15 PM. Reason: because the TLA said to.


I love this.

Adam, they got your number, dood. Run.

[backpack]

I already have two RFID cards -- my CharlieCard for mass transit in Boston, and my Zipcard for car sharing.

I have to keep them in opposite sides of my wallet and open it so only one card is over a reader at a time or they interfere with each other and the reader has an error.

The read distances for these, at least, are pretty short, and not having to remove them from your wallet is pretty nice. If you really don't want anyone reading your RFID tag you could just put them in a metal-lined sleeve or something.

I've also used PIT (passive integrated transponder) tags in rodent research, they're basically rice-grain sized RFID tags that we implant under the skin. The antennas we have to use to read them even at moderate distances are HUGE, and require car batteries to operate. Also, becuase of the way the fields arc out from the antennas, they can interfere with each other if they're too close together and there are dead spots within their range. It's all kind of cool but annoying at the same time. At least we get a decent record of where the mice are going at night, and can easily identify recaptures.

Anyway, yea. I know that didn't contribute to the argument, just wanted to make clear that RFID is in wide use already for various applications.

[freshies]

That's exactly the point. While I don't have anything to hide, that doesn't mean my pattern of activities might not appear suspicious to some authority someday. I neither want nor need anyone actively recording my presence in the 7-11, or the bathroom at McDonalds, or the grocery store, or the gas station, or anywhere else. Where I go, when, and for what purpose is my business and my business only. I am not a criminal and I resent being treated like one just on the off chance I might someday do something the powers that be don't like.

Consider also that if these RFIDs get into money AND your ID it will be possible to track that money wherever it goes. If I pay a friend for doing some work around my house it's entirely possible the fact that $XXX dollars just changed posession from myself to him could be tracked by some agency. The monitoring agency will not know why I gave him the money. Maybe he also deals drugs and when he's caught I'll be investigated as well.

Also note the picture that's posted above, the little box with the antenna on it - that's the reader. The transmitters are much smaller.



Description of above device:
http://www.iautomate.com/t501.html

Keep in mind that these are low-cost commercially available units and that as technology progresses they will continue to get smaller and smaller. The one pictured above could easily be used as an ID card just by reducing it's size only fractionally and imprinting the picture and other text on the outside of it.

Now every time you come within 200 feet of a federal building, school, bank, post office, <wherever>, your presence will be recorded and entered into a database somewhere.

Furthermore, a larger, more powerful reader will be able to read a smaller and more compact transmitter at even greater distance. It sounds like science fiction but it is not out of the realm of possibility that such technology will soon allow the tracking of your movements 24 hrs. a day by satellite. All of this paid for with taxes, by the way. Is that what you want your government doing with your money? Will it really stop suicidal fanatics from blowing up buildings? Perhaps, if the technology eventually reaches the point of sophistication and ubiquity to where the acquisition of components for bomb making would automatically trigger an alarm. But at what price to freedom overall?

Thomas Jefferson was a great visionary. You may argue that what he said was said in a different time and a different world which created different circumstances, but I still believe in his vision of freedom and applaud his understanding of it's inherent risks.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. "

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. "

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

excellent post, thank you! live free or die, mags!

[nick > jesus]

what the fuck is this TLA shit?

according to wikipedia a TLA is three letter acronym, so what the fuck!?

[Free Range Lobster]

what the fuck is this TLA shit?

according to wikipedia a TLA is three letter acronym, so what the fuck!?

Oh man.
You looked up TLA.
You're doomed man.
You're doomed.

[Odin]

You're doomed.

Not if he double-nat'd his firewall and then set a static route out to berlin and back. Then he might have a fighting chance. Still though, I would advise to dump all your computer records to floppy and leave them somewhere for someone else to find.

- Crash Override out.....

[summit]

Not if he double-nat'd his firewall and then set a static route out to berlin and back. Then he might have a fighting chance. Still though, I would advise to dump all your computer records to floppy and leave them somewhere for someone else to find.

- Crash Override out.....

You ain't got nothing on 0cool

[smitchell333]

Shhhhhhhh, its ok, its all for your protection, just go quietly #24-985-9567

[Arty50]

Yeah, and the federal government couldn't possibly use similar powers to institute nation-wide drinking ages or anything like that.

Actually, they didn't seldon. The Federal Government got all the states to pass 21 laws by offering them highway subsidies. In other words, if a state passed a law limiting the drinking age to 21+, then the state was elligible for the road subsidies. Naturally every state passed such a law. There is no federal law mandating a 21+ drinking age for all citizens.

This is different though. The Federal Government is mandating that the states implement the National ID and pay for it themselves. Hence why the states are fighting it. The costs are huge. States will have to junk all the software and hardware they currently own for new systems that will generate the compliant cards. California, having the largest motorist population of all 50 states, is one of the big opponents of this act. The costs for implementing the Real ID are in the billions here. Worst of all, you have to come up with all of that money by 2008. We can barely pay firemen, policemen, and teachers; but instead we're going to spend billions on a new plastic card. No thanks.

[rideit]

Yeah, and we are going to be paying for Iraq for decades. Then Social security runs out.

[BigAirSkier1580]

Yeah, and we are going to be paying for Iraq for decades. Then Social security runs out.

Who even cares about SS at this point in time anyways!!!

We're all gonna be killed by terrorists anyways!

/sarcasm.

I'm sick of the government pissing all over the consitution and trying to claim it is for our own good.

Pretty soon there is going to be internment for Middle Eastern descendents.

[summit]

Pretty soon there is going to be internment for Middle Eastern descendents.

Next week on "24"

[Sir Jongalot]

Don't you guys know that the only way to protect your freedom is to take it away?

Well, duh!!

If the terrorists say they want to kill us and/or drive us from the middle east - they really mean they want to take our freedom away.
And if they want our freedom then we must both a) take our OWN freedom away( so that THEY cant take it 1st) and b) go to distant foreign lands not directly related to the terrorist threat, but related to some family vendetta or something and like kick ass or at least founder an absolute military victory into incompetence, corruption, and buffonery until there's an insurgency, civil war, and ethnic cleansing and then,.... well I digress.

Just take our own freedom away and we'll figure out the rest.

[72Twenty]

Well, you know, when K2 put the blinky chip in the Four, we all thought it was cool. You know, I mean.....c'mon. Man.

[Viva]

It worse than you think...

[Stone-Free]

^^^ Bwa!

[skilife]

Pretty soon there is going to be internment for Middle Eastern descendents.

There is, its called Guantanamo Bay, and has been in use since 2002.

Pretty messed up that our gov. is doing this just 14 years after appolgizing for what we did to the japanese during WWII
"In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership".



Social security will always be available for us. The population is always increasing, thus there is more people putting into it each year. The only way that social security will disapeer is if there is a decrease in the birth rate, or if some prick like Bush tries to get rid of it, but i dont think we are going to stant for that.


I also dont believe that we will ever be required to carry some form of a RFID. This is a invasion of our privacy, and no one will stand for it. Revolution will come before we lose our rights. There are organizations that exist that will take care of who ever is trying to take away our rights, if we start to lose our freedom. There is always someone that can kick your big brothers ass!!