EHPs......

[shirk]

Those look money.

I'll have to knock him off a pair if I see him in line and demo them.

[soul_skier]

hee hee... don't worry, there are more fritschis for other skis. might as well ski 'em all and pull what i don't want.

current thinking:
dp 120 + dynafit
dp 138 + fritschi
ehpizzle 1-9-thrizzle + nx21

And your bootsole is what again? I'm home for a month over christmas (utah), so if jackson gets hammered, i'll be up for at least a day since I need to loose my jackson virginity sometime. you shouldn't be too hard to find in the liftline..

[spin4spin]

in fact, at their point of max separation there's about 7mm (or less) between them= ~3-3.5mm camber.

just for reference, my 190s have ~22mm of camber when measured the same way. also the 190s are about 2-3cm shorter than 189 k2 seths for those interested in lengths.

[upallnight]

one more comment on this -- when i lay the ski flat on a surface, the camber measures in at right about 3--maybe even a touch less than 3mm. i'd expect this since the ski will have a tendency to flatten out when on the ground vs. standing vertically as in my photo.

there is so little camber that it is about as close to zero as i've ever seen without being reverse camber. i still purchased it thinking it would be zero camber from toe to tip, but perhaps as the prof says this amount of camber could make the ski more versatile. time will tell.

i gotta go throw 3-4 coats of wax on 'em...

[Professor]

i gotta go throw 3-4 coats of wax on 'em...

I heard the bases looked like they got beat up a bit in transit. Nothing major from what I hear, but would be nice to have a nicely finished base right out of the box.

[Steven S. Dallas]

Westcott rulers... rule.

[mntlion]

mountain magic in banff just got them in.

tail is not as stiff as I as thinking is would be. might be wanting them now....

[thebigeast]

just got mine this mouring straight from 4frnt, the camber on mine is about
7 mm as well, when i picked them up from 4frnt, matt said they have the same amount of camber as was planned in the original design,
also when mine sit flat, they have maybe 2mm of camber each, and when they have binders on them i am sure it will probally make the skis lay completely flat

[thebigeast]

he also pointed out that due to the ginormous shovel, and the slightly rockered tail that the running length of the 193 is a couple of cm shorter than the 190

[glademaster]

he also pointed out that due to the ginormous shovel, and the slightly rockered tail that the running length of the 193 is a couple of cm shorter than the 190

Makes sense, since Hjorleifson (or however the hell you spell it), despite being a sick and insanely strong skier, isn't a huge dude. Judging from the initial fondlings, it seems like this ski may me more versatile/accessible to smaller or lighter skiers than the first reports made it sound like. It will be interesting to see who emerges victourious from the Lotus 120, Big Big Daddy, EHP 193 battle that will surely ensue. I can't wait. Oh, and the graphics on these bad boys are fucking sick.

[Z]

I heard the bases looked like they got beat up a bit in transit. Nothing major from what I hear, but would be nice to have a nicely finished base right out of the box.

I cannot find anything imperfect on my bases. Seem like a money factory tune. This friday I will mount em with some 916s then wax em up real nice. I might wait for another storm to ski em inbounds as I am attracted to rocks.

[marshalolson]

Makes sense, since Hjorleifson (or however the hell you spell it), despite being a sick and insanely strong skier, isn't a huge dude. Judging from the initial fondlings, it seems like this ski may me more versatile/accessible to smaller or lighter skiers than the first reports made it sound like. It will be interesting to see who emerges victourious from the Lotus 120, Big Big Daddy, EHP 193 battle that will surely ensue. I can't wait. Oh, and the graphics on these bad boys are fucking sick.

after playing with Z's, he and i concured that they are basically a 3cm longer, 8mm narrower 120. very similar shape and flex. stoked on them. they for sure look sweet.

[thebigeast]

after playing with Z's, he and i concured that they are basically a 3cm longer, 8mm narrower 120. very similar shape and flex. stoked on them. they for sure look sweet.

hmmm interesting prognosis

[Z]

hmmm interesting prognosis

VERY similiar. But cooler graphics.

Apparently the idea was uhhhhh.....passed along. Sidewalls remind me of Igneous sidewalls (ptex graphic stylie). Im impressed so far. Very thick underfoot.

[thebigeast]

VERY similiar. But cooler graphics.

Apparently the idea was uhhhhh.....passed along. Sidewalls remind me of Igneous sidewalls (ptex graphic stylie). Im impressed so far. Very thick underfoot.

way better graphics, and the textured topsheet looks really bomber its supposed to be really chip/scratch resistant so they will be lookin top notch all season long

[thebigeast]

wher is everyone gunna mounting their 193's, i am prob just gunna mount right on the line, but i am currious as to what y'all are thinking

[upallnight]

I heard the bases looked like they got beat up a bit in transit. Nothing major from what I hear, but would be nice to have a nicely finished base right out of the box.

bases look ok. almost looks like they have some wax on 'em that needs to be scraped (you can scratch it with your figernail). otherwise, they're pretty damn flat (just measured with a true bar).

that said, i've never had a ski from the factory -- any factory -- that didn't benefit from a hand tune. they're all machine tunes -- even the good ones -- and they generally work-harden the edges which can make it difficult to properly tune the edges until they've been ridden a few days.

all bases need at least 3 full wax/scrape cycles to be set up (usually more; hotboxing helps...and helps pass the time while waiting ) for life (a good foundation).

other than lookin' dry, they look pretty solid-- at least as good as iggy bases. only time will tell how durable they are. looks like solid construction to my eye.

[kidwoo]

all need at least 3 full wax/scrape cycles to be set up (usually more; hotboxing helps...and helps pass the time while waiting ) for life (a good foundation).

Dude......I explain this to every girl I start dating with any sort of seriousness....but damn.....what's up with the protesting of the hotbox part? It's like they think body functions just stop when love is declared.

[Z]

From what I've heard, it was more like a direct copy.

That's kind of what I was getting at.

[PlayHarder]

just for reference, my 190s have ~22mm of camber when measured the same way. also the 190s are about 2-3cm shorter than 189 k2 seths for those interested in lengths.

Hmmm, mine measure about 11mm between them with that method and (with bindings) sit pretty close to flat when layed down - like ~4mm. About an 8" flat spot on either end from contact point in that almost comes up when they're layed flat, too.
Definitely short 190s, though, side by side they're barely longer than 184 M777's.

Sorry, enough about the smaller ones.

[Professor]

I didnt say the bases were "bad", I had just heard that they werent great. If they are similiar to Iggies bases, to me that means "not great". I agree that every ski needs some initial loving/tuning. But some skis are better than others, as are some manufacturers. And as for the graphics..... yeah they look nice. But dont drop one in the snow, they become hard to find. Damn white skis

[phUnk]

Stoke rising for these skis...

I want weekly updates, all winter, so I can decide what crazy curvy, reverse rewind camber phat phuckers to get next season.

kthx.

[upallnight]

I didnt say the bases were "bad", I had just heard that they werent great. If they are similiar to Iggies bases, to me that means "not great". I agree that every ski needs some initial loving/tuning. But some skis are better than others, as are some manufacturers. And as for the graphics..... yeah they look nice. But dont drop one in the snow, they become hard to find. Damn white skis

you know iggies, then! ;-)

it's no volkl factory tune, but the base looks like it will last albeit not particularly pleasing to the eye. again, i'm not worried as no ski should be skied without a tune regardless of the supposed "factory tune".

after i get them on my bench and do the intial prep i'll report back with a better assessment of how the base handles.

also, the only true test will be taking them out and banging them up against some rocks over the season.

ii hope the snow's not black wherever i'm skiing as the pair i've got are more black than white (75-25). were you on protos with white topsheets? (though for what it's worth, i like plain white topsheets)

[Professor]

From the looks of the construction they should hold up pretty well. At least they didnt screw the thing up by using a "cap" As for the graphics, the black and white just blend with everything on the mountain. The pair I tried appeared to be the same graphics as the production ones. But when I blew out of one it took me about 5 minutes to find it. It wasnt even buried. It was actually sticking straight up out of the snow. I didnt see it until I got below it and could see the black base. That black and white top sheet is straight up "snow camo" on the mountain.

[Particle]

From the pair I've seen, I think an Igneous-style base is about right. And UAN is correct in that there is extra wax on there, looks like.

As for the colors, I'm with Prof - even with the black trees, those are just going to blend into the shadows of the snow and make them hard to find. If the black bases are showing, you'll be fine. This is probably more of a problem here in the Wasatch than most other places, where you're regularly dealing with pow days in the 18"-36" range. And losing skis on those days is a real possibility, I've seen it happen even with non-white skis.