EHPs......

**marshalolson** · 12-02-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Z

I'll shit in my hat if iron cross is ready to go....

it clearly isn't, but i figure a little chest-thumping might make it snow a bit harder.

**upallnight** · 12-04-2006, 11:41 PM

my EHPs are sitting in a box at home...but i can't get there for another 2h or so... argh!

will post pics.

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 02:38 AM

just got home to a box....figured i'd post some pics for y'all.

first off, the box is looking pristine. here's the total "packaging" inside:

slipping 'em out of the plastic reveals this:

can't really tell due to the poor light, but they have a very slick texture -- might prevent snow from sticking to the surface which is valuable on a board this big.

they don't have much camber:

in fact, at their point of max separation there's about 7mm (or less) between them= ~3-3.5mm camber.

i'll put 'em on the scale tomorrow. probably won't ride them for a bit as we need at least 2 more storms for good coverage, and i haven't yet decided what i'll put on them. (prolly nx21s)

'night.

Squatch · 12-05-2006, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by upallnight

...i haven't yet decided what i'll put on them. (prolly nx21s)...

Doesn't this violate the terms of your Fritschi contract?

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Squatch

Doesn't this violate the terms of your Fritschi contract?

hee hee... don't worry, there are more fritschis for other skis. might as well ski 'em all and pull what i don't want.

current thinking:
dp 120 + dynafit
dp 138 + fritschi
ehpizzle 1-9-thrizzle + nx21

**leroy jenkins** · 12-05-2006, 03:18 AM

hey upallnight, weren't these supposed to be 0 camber? wasn't that what they were fixing? so first run, way too much camber, second try, just a little too much.

They're getting closer at least.

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 03:31 AM

yep....kinda seems more like the camber profile of the ehp 190 (from what i've read...never saw a 190, though.

particle posted this a while back (quoting eric hjornameicantquitespell):
"This ski has been developed from my experiences skiing in big mountain environments. Often I was skiing in situations when I needed to point it and outrun sloughs and avie slides. I wanted to create a tool catered to one concept: skiing at high speeds through variable snow conditions. This ski has some very unique design features: zero camber, minimal sidecut. The first 25cm of the tip and last 15cm of the tail have reverse/neutral sidecut. This enables the ski to be very stable and forgiving at high speed: The tip doesn't hook up to force your turn to end. A 25cm gradual tip radius provides ample flotation. This design floats on top of the snow instead of plowing through it. The last 15cm of the tail has a slight reverse camber shape, which allows you to butter your turns or ditch speed by kicking your heels out when you really need to shut it down.

The gradually designed tips allow for this ski to retain a stiff flex pattern throughout the entire ski. This creates a super stable platform to ride all types of snow. Unlike a twin tip tail design, the minimal reverse camber retains the ski's stiffness and doesn't "wheelie" out of big landings, which results in control when it counts." -Eric Hjorleifson

**Toby** · 12-05-2006, 04:43 AM

Holy shit they look sexy!

**pechelman** · 12-05-2006, 08:47 AM

really stoked and happy for you to finally get some of the skis you've ordered.

Z · 12-05-2006, 10:18 AM

Got em. Fucking.Sick.

Seem to have the perfect flex for me. Stiff, but not super stiff. Stiff tail for sure, which is very important. Pretty soft at the tip which will only increase the rockered float feeling. VERY similiar to Marshal's lotus 120s.

Construction looks money. Black 916s go on asap.

Z · 12-05-2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

hey upallnight, weren't these supposed to be 0 camber? wasn't that what they were fixing? so first run, way too much camber, second try, just a little too much.

They're getting closer at least.

I was told they were going for exactly as much camber as mine have now. Who knows. I wouldn't mind a bit if they had a bit more even....

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Z

I was told they were going for exactly as much camber as mine have now. Who knows. I wouldn't mind a bit if they had a bit more even....

cool, z....glad yours arrived. how much camber do they have? same as mine?

personally, i was digging the fact that there was none from toe to tip, but i can live with this, particularly at these $$$$es.

the construction does feel pretty burly.

i guess, depending on how you measure it you could say that from to to tip is pretty flat. and heel to tail (well, just before the tail) has a bit more camber (6mm).

**natty dread** · 12-05-2006, 10:34 AM

Those look $$$
Can't wait to hear how they ride.

**leroy jenkins** · 12-05-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Z

I was told they were going for exactly as much camber as mine have now. Who knows. I wouldn't mind a bit if they had a bit more even....

Yea, I still want some, just thought it was funny. Its reassuring that thats what they said they wanted though.

**Professor** · 12-05-2006, 10:36 AM

It will be interesting to see if the "touch" of camber helps avoid some of the issues they had on groomed stuff. A touch of camber should help them track when running flat on the base since the ski itself is "pushing back" against the snow. Cant wait to hear some more feedback on these. Also for what it is worth the production ones look to have a MUCH better finish than the ones that Particle and I skied last year.

Z · 12-05-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by upallnight

cool, z....glad yours arrived. how much camber do they have? same as mine?

personally, i was digging the fact that there was none from toe to tip, but i can live with this, particularly at these $$$$es.

the construction does feel pretty burly.

i guess, depending on how you measure it you could say that from to to tip is pretty flat. and heel to tail (well, just before the tail) has a bit more camber (6mm).

Just measured, mine have the exact same amount of camber as yours. I was told they would have a measurable amount of camber, and actually like it. I probably would have dug the 1st ones with too much camber as well. With the long tip and softness at the very tip I highly doubt these things will sink. like ever.

I love the stiffness underfoot and in the tail. perfect.

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Professor

It will be interesting to see if the "touch" of camber helps avoid some of the issues they had on groomed stuff. A touch of camber should help them track when running flat on the base since the ski itself is "pushing back" against the snow. Cant wait to hear some more feedback on these. Also for what it is worth the production ones look to have a MUCH better finish than the ones that Particle and I skied last year.

interesting, fess. we shall see. they have a VERY high build quality from visual inspection. i'm really impressed with it -- among the best i've seen and i've seen many. how they hold up is another matter altogether, but i'm optimistic.

the bases look thirstay!

**mntlion** · 12-05-2006, 10:44 AM

wont the camber go away anyways on the groomed with skier weight?

**Professor** · 12-05-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by mntlion

wont the camber go away anyways on the groomed with skier weight?

Yes and no. A ski with camber wants to hug imperfections in the snow since the tip and tail still want to go back to their cambered shape. A ski with NO camber doesnt want to hug those same imperfections since its original shape has no camber. That is why anything built for hard snow always has camber. It also helps to get more rebound out of a ski in a turn. Now dont get me wrong, I dont know that this much camber will solve the problem or if the problems come from the other features of the ski. But it will be interesting to see how they ski. Now I just have to figure out if a pair are in my future or not

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by mntlion

wont the camber go away anyways on the groomed with skier weight?

yes..., but the moment there is less resistance (ie surface changes shape or you jump off the snow) it comes back, at least until the ski is "dead". this is true of skis will an extreme amount of camber as much as it is for skis with very little camber, although the more camber generally the faster the ski will bounce back and, as professor says, the more it will dig into the snow.EHP 193s

naked skis weigh ~10.4# for the pair on my scale.

**pechelman** · 12-05-2006, 11:18 AM

think of camber as preload adjustment on a rear shock. It comes and it goes with the amount of compression or rebound, but when it returns to its resting state with the rider or skier on top of it, its definitely a prevalent force.

**upallnight** · 12-05-2006, 12:00 PM

^^^ yes. and the more camber, the more force one must apply to the ski to de-camber it...and the more it wants to snap back. (it's also a function of the material, of course, as well as the displacement from equilibrium.)