PARKING PERMITS!
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PARKING PERMITS!
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https://summitatsnoqualmie.com/parking-guideQuote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
I’m not mad at this. Pretty nice actually.
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Oh you will be .
This is a money grab
You think management cares about your experience [emoji38] wrong bucko
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If I have a remedy pass, do I get a parking pass? I did Ikon plus remedy as I know I'll be traveling a lot weekends before March when Remedy allows weekends.
Parking on the road will get that much worse.
General day parking pass if you don’t have a lift ticket is $55. Holeee sheeet
That should drastically reduce the sledders, snowshoers, and BC skiers clogging up the lots.
Enforcement will be interesting
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It'll be interesting to see how they enforce it, but I am happy to see them at least try to reduce the non-lift users occupying parking spaces. Something had to give.
Where did they even come up with that number? Nobody is going to pay $55. Nobody. People will either gamble and assume Summit mismanagement won't enforce it, or just go somewhere else. Maybe that's their goal.
There ought to be quite the black market for those $5 codes from all the Ikoners that carpooled and thus didn't use all of their codes for their ski days.
And isn't the uphill season pass (parking included) only $50? So effectively the parking season pass is cheaper than a single day.
Are you going to be mad when it's slightly less of a shit show in the parking lot? They had to do something.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
We know they will never cap season tickets based on how many days people actually use them. They do seem to throttle day tickets between price and availability.
If they really cared they would boot the Ikon folks out.
I'm not mad about this.
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This seems solid to me and wish other resorts would follow suit. Sledders, wanderers and looky loo’s can go elsewhere.
Passholders are being prioritized in this program
Ikon a nominal fee
And big disincentive for non-customers to stay out of the lots.
Win for all who pay to ride the lifts?
Seems like a positive.
Certainly less of a moneygrab parking policy than other resorts…
Backcountry users should be in small groups anyway - so carpooling and splitting the $[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]] over three or four seems reasonable.
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Seems like a miss. This group should pay the $[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]] to be in line with the other passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bfree;[emoji[emoji6[emoji640
Website in general is confusing - it states no paid parking for passes and tickets at the top, then describes the $[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]] fee for essentially everyone except full passholders below…
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Fuck this emoji bullshit. Sorry
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My family of 3 all have season passes.
Does this mean I get 6 parking passes?
If so I have 4 passes to sell the highest bidder…$$$$$$.
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I have mixed feelings about it. When I ride lifts I want to be able to park. When I tour I also want to be able to park. There's not much public parking up there. Aren't the ski area lots on national forest land?
I heard years ago there was an effort to get the Kendall Katwalk parking lot plowed in the winter. Before the pandemic. Did anyone else?
You are not allowed to uphill at Alpental, so I question if the uphill pass will work at Alpental lots?Quote:
Originally Posted by bfree
Also the lower lot always used to be explicity open to non-resort guests...is that still the case this year? It sounds like not...I haven't paid attention recently though, maybe it is already this way?
While I see the need, I don't really see how it solves much. The resort is clearly already at capacity (at least on mid winter weekends) so removing a few people from the backcountry to save those parking spots for people adding to the lines doesn't seem like it will help much. And it really only makes snoq and source areas harder. For Kendall area there is plenty of road parking - people will just park there early instead of the west lot.
I assume there are quite a few people like me who have passes and will take up a parking spot either way, but would rather be in touring on a weekend than waiting in lift lines.
There continues to be a need for sno-park based parking for backcountry users, that doesn't make them compete with the ski areas.
Yeah same. The $55 is the offensive part, not really the need to have a parking fee for those who aren't using the lifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by counterfeitfake
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by MottN
I think plowing the PCT trailhead lot would be a great idea. Just add it as a Sno-Park area. The problem now is all the snowshoers need to walk along the highway to access the trail. Seems a bit dangerous to me. And those spots are going to fill up quickly with the new $55 parking fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by counterfeitfake
I guess I can't be 100% certain but I saw no indication of this when I just checked out the Summit's website. Separating the two would require a more sophisticated system.Quote:
Originally Posted by MottN
No uphill travel during operating hours at Alpental is what the website has.
https://summitatsnoqualmie.com/uphill-travel-policy
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Dude we are talking about parking.
I think he's saying that since Alpental doesn't allow uphill travel (even though it's not that simple and) then they won't let you park at Alpental for $5 with an uphill pass?
I doubt the system will be granular enough (nor the parking plentiful enough) for the parking permits to be area/zone specific.
Kyle McCrohan worked on this a few years back through the resuscitated Cascade Backcountry Alliance I think. The major sticking point with that particular trailhead was that there was nowhere to put the snow (I know that sounds silly, but is a real problem for Snoparks -- they need somewhere to plow all the snow that doesn't cannibalize a high proportion of the parking spots themselves and that lot is crammed in amongst a bunch of dense forest).Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
In a similar vein, it's going to be pretty hilarious when the USFS's hamfisted Gold Creek rehab project closes the sliver of public parking that remains after this policy goes into effect
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by counterfeitfake
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I can see this helping at alpental where half of lot 4 was people going into the bc last year. It would be nice if I can show up for lessons at 830 without worrying I’m too late to park but not optimistic on that one. I am also assuming as a pass holder I can park in lot 4 even if I’m not riding lifts.
More parking is needed somewhere at the pass and I don’t know where to put it.
*This.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Managing the cleared snow there is not rocket seance.
And yes, the North edge of lot4 does seem to be occupied with several dozen or more uphllers every weekend.
lot4 full at 8:00 some average snow weekends was ridiculous.
I guess I have a weird belief that the underpaid people working for bureaucracies do have some subject matter expertise. I mean that parking lot is ~50 cars in size at best sandwiched between huge trees and thick underbrush. The access road to get to the turnoff for the lot routinely has 10-12' berms that cover a huge %age of the shoulder. If they say it's not reasonable to plow the lot and preserve enough parking spots I tend to believe them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
But while we're engaging in flights of fancy: If you really wanted to increase access to the PCT trailhead (and accidentally improve outdoor access for greater Seattle in winter) for you could reverse the travel direction on the uphill Denny Creek Campground escape road to be westward (downhill), let people park on the uphill side and plow the snow over the edge. Could fit 100s of cars there, run a plow down the hill and throw the snow off the side, but then you'd need to plow the whole thing down to the Denny Creek Campground and out. Which would have the side effect of making available a ton of space for all the plebes who are presently clogging up the limited real estate on the pass without lining Summit's pockets.
But that costs money and no one wants to cut trees down to pay for nice things, so we're stuck.
Mandatory carpooling and reservations is the next step.
This place is doomed
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Also, not roquet seance. Will it require some ingenuity and money? Well, yeah. And a new ski area.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptavv
I'm sure it's a problem, but hard to believe it's an unsolvable problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptavv
Maybe if there's enough public outcry about the $55 parking fee the ski resort could agree to plow that lot (assuming they can sort out the where to put the snow issue) as a compromise.
They certainly could be boiling us frogs slowly. But, ive been bitching about parking (the lack of it, the blocking in of people, and the use by non-summit guests) on every survey they have sent me since 2020. They are finally doing something about it, and what they are doing doesn't affect passholders like you and me... yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
What do you think would be a better strategy/program to unfuck the parking CF? If i like it, ill start writing that in on surveys and emails. One thing i will give summit staff credit for is that they do seem to listen and respond to public outcry and have personally responded (with a pretty good answer) to every whiney email ive ever sent them.
This was MottN's completely random guess and I pointed out that it does not specify this when you buy your uphill pass, it just says parking is included.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptavv
Am I being confusing or are some of you hitting the post button before you've finished reading?
Yeah that's what I said, I'm with you.Quote:
I doubt the system will be granular enough (nor the parking plentiful enough) for the parking permits to be area/zone specific.
So frustrating to be into the outdoors around here. Things keep getting more crowded and yet solutions just seem impossible. I'm on board for cutting down trees for parking lots, the pass has a goddamn interstate freeway going through it,* we are not talking about wilderness.
* which has been undergoing expansion for decades! plenty of will to make that happen I guess
If the size of their lots stay fixed any solution is going to suck for somebody.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Are we fantasizing? How about a fuckin' train.
May I refer you to one of my pet peeves, the 'Mountains To Sound Greenway', whose goal is to preserve the view from I-90 in lieu of slash and burn everywhere that can't been seen from I-90.Quote:
Originally Posted by counterfeitfake
Needs renamed to “Mountains to Issaquah Highlands Exit Greenway”.
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Yeah. I wasn't really saying that I thought they would, just pointing out that it was possible they would limit parking to certain lots. I.e. some passes don't allow Alpental on weekends so, depending on how they do the parking passes, the corresponding parking pass might also not work on Alpental lots on the weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by counterfeitfake
The logic of a ridiculous day fee with such an easy work around doesn't seem consistent with it being a cash grab or with it trying to clear up parking.
Ultimately we will just have to see how they implement it and whether it helps a little bit or a lot.
Good point. That would make a bit of sense... I'm on a LTD pass and tour out of the Alpental lots on weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by MottN
They could certainly make it pretty restrictive if they want to. Or they could give an unlimited parking pass to passholders of all types... is my 4 year old going to get a parking pass?
Can they charge more for people wasting a parking space to take an AIARE class?
Guessing the parking pass you get with an uphill pass or other restricted use pass won’t cover peak weekends and holidays.
It sucks but lots of people like getting out in the mountains and you need to find a way to incentivize change. Money is almost always the most efficient way to do so. Wouldn’t be opposed to charging pass holders a lesser fee on peak weekends to incentivize carpooling. $10-$20/car per day is a much lower proportional hit the more people in the car and would do a lot to reduce the shit show both on the roads and in the parking lots.
In the parking FAQ they list incorrect permit location/ parking lot as a citation so I’m guessing they will limit parking by permit type for different lots.