seems its just ford trying to get some of the jeep wrangler market to me, although I will give ford credit for going back to its roots with the bronco and leaving the oj simpson bronco body style behind.
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seems its just ford trying to get some of the jeep wrangler market to me, although I will give ford credit for going back to its roots with the bronco and leaving the oj simpson bronco body style behind.
didnt read the whole thread, but caught a long ass commercial for this new ride with none other than Jimmy Chin...pretty cool mini infomercial.
So what are the odds that between now and when this thing goes into production emissions standards are changed to a degree that makes it unrealistic/impossible for Ford to actually manufacture and sell this thing?
We can hope, right?
A 4runner with a removable roof like the old days would be pretty sweet.
WTF are you talking about? Frame mounted steel bumpers with anchor points and a winch mount available from Ford. Did the FJ come stock with 4.7s and 35s?Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
From comments here and on the internet, this is pretty polarizing.
I'm going with the "like it, but can't afford more than the base model" crowd. I'm not very up to date on car pricing, but >$40K seems like a lot for this...but $40K also seems like a lot for a pickup (to me).
The rumor mill says the next Land Cruiser will be more like old than new so here's hoping Toyota introduces a worthy competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
It's not just this shiny new tchotchke. Auto prices are insane and new truck and SUV prices have well outpaced inflation.Quote:
Originally Posted by smartyiak
Exactly why I think this whole Bronco thing will last a few years then get canceled. The last recession (and gas prices) took out the FJ. This model is about 5 years too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
As soon as I saw it I thought, "FJ Cruiser?"Quote:
Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark
Hopefully it has better sightlines (or whatever it's called when you can't see shit and there's a thousandty blind spots) than the FJ cruiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
You haven't shopped for a new car lately have you? This is priced lower pretty much across the board than the Wrangler also (assuming package pricing is on par and not outrageous).Quote:
Originally Posted by smartyiak
Base 2 door with Sasquatch package is basically a Rubicon for 10 grand less, with better gearing and 35s. I'm still bummed about IFS, but that is an appealing rig. I suspect the aftermarket will have sway bar disconnects available for sub $100 (ala the Wrangler) post haste as well.
The four door is surprisingly appealing also, and I tend to really dislike the Wrangler Unlimited despite my love for the 2 door.
Yep. Cars and trucks have gotten really expensive in the last decade. I had no real hope that this would start much lower than it did. As AdironRider said, it's pretty much on par to slightly lower than most Wranglers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
My hope is this sells well enough but not incredibly after the first two years and so it gets some of the incentives that Ford trucks sometimes receive, but I won't hold my breath immediately for that.
I'd be surprised if it ever gets incentives like Ford trucks do. This doesn't seem spectacularly overpriced like a lot of Ford trucks are, which are just marked way up so they can offer 10k in incentives.
3500 tow rating for both 2 door and 4 door models, which I'm kinda surprised about given the Ranger platform has tow ratings around 7k.
Auto electronics / sensors have been paying my bills for years, growing industry, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
Huh? If emissions were to become that strict would gas vehicles even be a thing? This is an ecoboost we’re talking about here..Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Real world mpg numbers are still going to be garbage for a vehicle designed from the ground up in 2020.
Nope...and certainly not a Wrangler!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
Better or worse than the FJ or LC? Guessing it’s probably a push if not in favor of the Bronco with stock 35s.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Ask any Subaru Outback/Forester owner what they actually get and I bet this is within a couple mpg real world and will absolutely destroy any Tacoma in the land.
Which now that I think about it, are probably the two vehicles (well maybe not the Forester) that this will steal more market share from vs. the Wrangler.
https://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sale...dsized-pickup/
sales are down in 2020 but Tacoma has a 40% share of the market and out sells every other midsized truck by 2-1
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Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
M-Lock dash rails FTW! Just wait for the Magpul Molle Edition Bronco in FDE with black CQB trim!
Considering gmc has an average transaction cost higher than bmw and Mercedes Id say you haven’t purchased a truck or suv in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by smartyiak
Lincoln suv is over 100k so bronco aside from the escape and ecosport it is on the lower end of ford trucks and suv pricing.
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a...mate-denialism
this vehicle looks cool. too bad it was made with a 1950s mindset towards our world. why are we so stuck in some idealized past? i hope jimmy donates all the money he made to POW or something that actually helps move the needle.
//hypocritically ducks out of thread to get in 2015 taco with 33s.
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Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
Jimmy Chin vs Guy Fieri. Pick a side, men.
They may come out with a hybrid in following years, give them time.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
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Originally Posted by smartyiak
My uncle forwarded me a forwarded Facebook link indicating that the Democrats are making Ford require a muffler mask on the exhaust to limit freedom particles.
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Ford is heavily invested in Rivian - I think it was originally for a Lincoln E-SUV, but they'd probably be able to leverage the platform for a Bronco if they had to.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
I'm a liberal environmentalist in most ways, but that article was terrible. Ford has confirmed that there will be a forthcoming hybrid option. So I guess it shows some priorities that they aren't available at launch, but the self-righteousness that they didn't consider putting a hybrid option in becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
It's like a parody of liberal whininess.Quote:
But it’s obvious not everyone sees it that way [hybrid being useful], including the so-called “Bronco Underground” team at Ford that has been working since 1999 to resurrect the vehicle. Like much of the auto industry, it consists solely of middle-aged white men. It’s hard to shake the feeling the Bronco is yet another front in the culture wars where manly men can drive their big, masculine, gas-guzzling truck wherever they want, libs be damned.
Where's the 4Runner with a hybrid? Taco? Nowhere. And they get far worse MPG than the EcoBoost will.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
I get it, big ships alter course slowly. But it’s 2020. When did the Honda Insight come out, 99?Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
The 2021 F150 hybrid is an embarrassment to everyone involved. Cmon big blue give us some leadership.
I love how the most innovative thing on this truck are the doors... oh and the 7MT.
I think you just described vice in 8 words or lessQuote:
Originally Posted by MarcusBrody
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Valid, but those trucks haven’t seen a redesign in 10+ years New taco doesn’t count. Obviously there are shortcomings and perceived long term reliability issues but that’s where the money should be focused. Not on midlife crisis itch scratching.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
That vice article sucked hudge balls. Did someone actually get paid to write that?
Agree, that’s the point I’ve been trying to make. Base + Sasquatch will be the starting point for some very capable rigs and would be enough for most of us. And that 2.3 in the Ranger has a factory tune for 315 hp that will no doubt be available here. So a turnkey full factory warranty rig with 35s, 315 HP, Lockers, crazy good crawl ratios and a usefully tall ‘seventh’ (more like sixth) gear that looks good and is cheaper than a somewhat comparable Wrangler.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
And the 4x4 forums are noticing how Ford designed easy to remove body panels / fenders to enable a huge aftermarket for some wide tire / fender setups.
We're getting off topic, but I actually think the F150 hybrid is smart and pretty cool. Sure you're not getting a huge mpg boost, but it is a boost and I suspect it will do particularly well in loaded and stop and go driving, situations where a lot of (especially gasoline powered) trucks don't come close to their rates mpgs.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
Plus, the F150 marker is as you suggest filled with people for whom being environmentally friendly isn't a principal goal and really who might see it with suspicion. If the extra power and tricks (run a welder off the outlet in the bed!) of the hybrid truck, then that's an overall win as these people are likely cross shopping less efficient trucks, not Priuses.
My sister in law works for an energy company and many of the projects she works on have notable environmental benefits, but they intentionally focus on other selling points because people still see that as indicating some compromise somewhere else. I suspect this is the same thing.
So, in review:Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
Ford will have a better MPG SUV in 2021 than Toyota in 2021.
Ford has confirmed a hybrid option is on the way.
Toyota hasn't even announced next gen 4runner or Taco. (And even then, the new Taco/4runner is probably going to be on the TNGA platform -- aka a unibody -- not a body-on-frame design: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/...#post-19725756)
Toyota hasn't confirmed new gen 4runner or Taco will have hybrid option.
So most likely, ford will potentially be the first to bring a truly off-road capable SUV to market with a hybrid option. But they are the baddies.
I've got no dog in this fight. No interest in buying a bronco, or a taco with 33s or whatever since I rock a minivan. Just strikes me as a silly thing to complain about when there is literally no one on the market doing it better.
and FCA's response was "heres a wrangler with a V8!"Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
Actually they teased a plug in hybrid version of the Wrangler on their Instagram yesterday:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCmFDccDKRb/
I'm actually most excited about plug in hybrid versions of vehicles like this. I could do the 16 mile round trip to work on electricity alone, but not worry about finding places to charge on longer, more middle of nowhere trips. If I'd bought my van a few years later, I would have strongly considered the Pacifica plug in (though as it only comes in the premium trim it probably would have been more than I wanted to pay at the time).
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Originally Posted by mooseknuckle
That's an apples to oranges comparison, those Toyota vehicles are largely unchanged from 25 years ago. The Bronco was a ground-up new vehicle, designed and engineered in 2020, and it will get piss poor gas mileage for a newly designed vehicle, no matter how you slice it or try to greenwash it.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
I put 135,000 miles on a 2010 Subaru Outback before I got a 4Runner. My lifetime MPG in the Subaru was close 30. Highway trips I got 34-36 regularly, and consistently got 25-27 around down.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdironRider
The 4Runner gets pretty poor mileage, but I live 2.5 miles from where I work with 2 grocery stores and 2 breweries in between, and I ride my bike to work the 9 days a year it isn't raining here.
If I was commuting 50+ miles a day round trip, I would likely ditch the 4Runner for an AWD wagon.
I don't have a dog in this fight, as I have a relatively new, low mileage, paid off 4Runner. I will say that I would much rather see manual transmission offerings in cars than SUVs/trucks though, if we are going to see a manual renaissance.
I get a billion mpg on my bicycle. Anyway back on track. Factory 2” lift and 37s, like some of us predicted here.
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