Wierd, you skied it in bad conditions and it didn't feel good:rolleyes2
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Wierd, you skied it in bad conditions and it didn't feel good:rolleyes2
My April 2011 Rocker2 demo and my April 2010 El Dictator demo left with with the impression of washy, unreponsive and ungripping skis. The common denominator - the Z12 demo bindings. I don't understand how a company could willingly sabotage their demo experience with such a subpar binding. Given that I was levering out of the toes on GROOMERS, there was no way to test these skis to their full capability. The multiple double-ejections left me angry, and I will not be considering their product as a result. I let the rep know this. I bet they're great skis, but I had no way of knowing.
This review at doglotion had the same impression about the bindings: http://www.doglotion.com/essays/salo...view-and-video
Ya, then I went back to my Cochise's and had a motherfucking blast...Quote:
Originally Posted by SLSki
D(C), you bring up a solid point, yet I still felt that it was the ski, and not just the binding that I was having trouble with.
Thank you Xavier for your input. It seemed as if I was just stumbling through epic review after epic review. Nice to see some constructive criticism. Its good to hear what you didn't like as those are the details I will weigh when coming to a decision. I'm sure I can find a "these skis fucking kill it" post on just about any similar skis thread, and though I'm sure they do, it doesn't help as much as knowing its limitations and little quirks.
I have been eye-banging the crap out of these skis for next season, and I have one concern:
I have been using the 182 Czars as my daily driver for the better part of the past two seasons and I'm wondering if there will be too much overlap between those and the 184 Rocker2. I think the 190 Rocker2 would be a little too much ski for Aspen/Snowmass (breaking news: most of the time we measure storms in inches, not feet).
About me: 6' 170lbs, AGGRO EX RACER and all that, ski about 80 days/season, like to spin/flip into pow and huck no bigger than like 30ft
How fast do you want to go? I think the spinny flippy stuff may be a little harder with the 190 length, but that length would give you a different ski.. think long slarves in the bowl and quick work of that area skiers left of Kristy's as opposed to late day laps through the soft bumps off of Bell...Quote:
Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney
To me, the Czar and Rocker2 cover the same quiver spot and it comes down to preference. From what I could tell in demoing the Rocker2 (when not fighting the crap bindings) is that they'd be a pretty versatile ski and more fun on groomers than the Czar due to the tighter turn radius. That said, there is something special about the soft snow frictionlessness of the Czar, with minimal sidecut and long, gradual tip rocker. Regardless of length, I would choose one or the other if they're both being used in-bounds. However if I were building a Salomon quiver, I'd go Rocker2 for resort and Czar for touring, where groomer performance is not a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney
Interersting assessment. I ski the czars now for about 100+ days and i love them, but i found the 190 R2 to be much more "playful" in pow.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
How are the R2's in the crud? How you describe the stiffness of the ski in comparision to others in its class?
My 192s are mid-stiff. They definitely are not noodles like hellbents/EP Pros/etc. They flex a hair softer than my Praxis Protests.
Thx, TCK.
Would you say they are about the same stiffness of the super s7's?
They have a similar flex pattern as the super 7; stiff under foot with mid-stiff tips/tails. Overall, it's probably a bit softer than the Super 7, but more damp, and lighter. They ski stiffer than they flex.
the rocker 2 is not more damp than the super 7. just gonna throw that out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TCK
I've skied the super 7, and own the rocker2. What blew me away about the rocker2 was how damp it was. In my opinion, more than the super 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by ectreeskier11
Having skied both skis this year I would agree with TCK, the Rocker2 is definitely more 'damp' than the Super S7.Quote:
Originally Posted by TCK
3rd on the damp.....but s7 and super s7 just dont do it for me at all period. so im slightly biased.
the rocker2s were a chatterfest when i skied on them in anything but totally untracked 18+inch deep pow
Funny i hear dudes raving about them in every/any condition. I had no problems keeping them under control on hardpack. If you wanna go mach looney on em yeah..they chatter...Quote:
Originally Posted by ectreeskier11
great post, i think i speak for everyone when i say we love the hyperbole. so they'll chatter in 12" of untracked pow? and in the lift line? bummer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ectreeskier11
You should hear them chatter in the ThuleQuote:
Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney
Somehow going for 480 on backcountry right now. 1 pair of 192's left and a few 184's. Can anyone compare these with the original rockers? I'll mainly be breaking them out on deeper days at Big Sky, so I want something I can get forward on and charge straigtlines/ big turns, but also be stable busting through a fair amount of crud. They seem like way different skis looking at the dimensions, so any help would rock.
$480 is a smoking deal. And it isn't even listed as on sale....5 skis left
^^That is cheap as FUCK!!!
My name is fat ski bob and I have a gear whoring problem
That didn't take long to sell out.
what i meant was, the day i skied them there was probably 18"+ of fresh. they were definitely a super fun ski in the deep stuff, but as soon as i hit anything tracked up or harder they just felt like shit. this coming from someone who skied megawatts basically every day and loved them for nearly everything.
480 seriously? that has to have been a screw up on bc.com's part... if not, hopefully some of you guys got in on that!
Wow thats an insane deal hopefully it stays like that and I will be snagging my self a pair.
Does anyone know know more about what their "honeycomb" tip/tail really is? It sounds nice and fancy, but something tells me it's just a BS name to make a cheap material sound high-tech (kind of like cap construction). What is this honeycomb material and how much lighter is it than the industry-standard UHMWPE that is found in the tip/tail of all the other high end skis? Salomon builds skis for the masses as cheaply as possible and I highly doubt they'd invest in an expensive material to make their skis just a little bit lighter in the tips/tails.
Its kind of funny how its automatically assumed that big ski companies only use shitty materials, they all have PPP. Huge orders of raw materials that the small indie companies cant handle. I love my indie skis but this ski is pretty dope. Its good and neutral sort of damp but all in all to just assume that they use shit material is kind of retarded. They use honeycomed cardboard in airplane manufacture the shape in itself is inherently strong so it does not really matter what it is made out of. And like you said its in a cap construction so its molded in. CAP is not really just a cheap alternative it has advantages and disadvantages like any other method of ski building, just give em' a go and see if you like if you don't get some Indie skis.
On a side note: Its total anus how freaking cheap ski shit is in the states compared to what we are paying in Europe. $480 is what the Rocker2 costs to buy from Salomon dealers in Europe. And the contour and Gopro are also 40% cheaper. If anyone wants a place to couch surf in Innsbruck Austria but are willing to bring 1 or 2 items from the states with them the deal stands.
So I bring a countour HD and I get to couch surf in Austria, sweet. Sign me up
Oh, somethinig arrived last night and they look sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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NICE!!! I got the 192's coming next month!!!! Feels weird thinking about skis cause its 10:00 at night and probably still 85 degrees outside.
Not to thread jack but what i am really looking to get my hands on is a contour and a mystery ranch pack for everyday stuff. Its the shipping that really kills on the products.
Sqikunst is right, you are indeed lucky b@stards. Rocker 2s go for about us$1150 down here in Kiwi Land.
Congrats whyturn, they do look sweet. Now enjoy the wait :o)
Brown Santa brought my 192's on Friday. Look sweet but feel heavier than I thought they would be. Thought they were supposed to be "light"?
does the 192 measure short or long? I've heard they measure a bit short, that would suck.......
can the lucky guys who have these babies tell us the weight of the 192 please? i'm so envious..
do u ever ski k2 hellbent or JJ on pow? what u think? any compare?Quote:
Originally Posted by TCK
can you get face shots with a hoverboard?
I owned the HB for one day and sold it right after. I really don't get when companies put a slalom turning radius on pow skis. I've only skied the JJs for a couple runs, and found them too turny as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ranjitdo
so which one u recommend rocker2 or JJ? JJ sems to be more lighty>?Quote:
Originally Posted by TCK