If your child needs a tutor to thrive at public or private school they’re probably dumber than youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
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If your child needs a tutor to thrive at public or private school they’re probably dumber than youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
Maz - if public the important thing if your kids are able to get in honors/AP/advanced courses do it! They will be surrounded by like kids who are most likely going to 4 year colleges. I don't know many kids who would be psyched to go to school all day then get punished by a tutor for 1-2 hours a day, just sayin'........Well rounded....best classes they can get in to, sports, arts, music, volunteer. Need to be able to write comprehensive essays from experiences on the common app (plus colleges will have tweaks to the common app where they want their own questions answered).
Don't take it so literally. What i believe was meant here, and what we did, is activities above and beyond. Our K-8 school wouldn't let our middle kid take math at his level, even though he was ready for it and they were teaching it to older kids. So we paid for online classes through John's Hopkins program for gifted and talented. And we paid for some sessions from a mom we know who is an actual teacher who was homeschooling her own kids. Just like skiing and riding lessons, this worked a lot better than having me teach him. Also, we tried to find other fun enrichment activities. We're a bit rural, so we didn't do as much as we liked. Living in an actual city metro area I am sure one can find a lot of cool educational and fun things for kids of all ages to do. The eldest one liked MIT Splash a lot. Colleges and universities tend to have programs for kids and teens. I lump all of the above into paying for "tutoring", and not so the kid can keep up, but so they get more out of it, do things they might not do in class.Quote:
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Scott Galloway has an interesting take on private school. Private school vs $5.3M as an adult.
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tutors buy numbers, private schools can buy (bought?) access. With whatever the fuck is going down now not sure how much that access will be worthQuote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
HehQuote:
Originally Posted by riser4
Let’s just say the gene pool is a tad shallow. Some of the offspring can be a bit feral.
Backwoods of the Kootenays were similar. No banjos yet though, still a young nation relatively.
I’m speaking in generalities he just got in the wayQuote:
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Still annoying. Fact.
Think about it, if a child needs a tutor they’re probably not that bright. Not every child/person is going to be a rockstar academically and that’s okay it’s just the way it is.
A tutor might help a student pass or even score well but it’s not going to change their general aptitude for a given subject. You see this in the workplace every day. People that look good on paper and they’ve cleared all the hurdles and jumped through the hoops but somehow they’re clueless. The world needs ditch diggers too, or trades service etc.
its like you never heard of dyslexia.
So every kid that’s not that bright has dyslexia? I had no idea it was that prevalent.
Oh, you clearly don’t understand that. Dyslexia does not diminish intelligence. That’s why tutors are so effective when working with them.
Back when I was in HS, it was somewhat easy for a determined kid to get an A in a standard level class; ie do the homework, study for the tests... But that same kid would get a C in an AP class. Tutoring made success in AP classes possible for us “normal” kids….
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I do understand that dyslexia doesn’t diminish intelligence, one in five people may have dyslexia. What about the rest of the people that don’t thrive academically? We talk and make fun of people for doing stupid shit or being stupid on this forum every day, we have threads dedicated to that. Not every kid is going to thrive and be an academic rockstar no matter how hard we try and how much we want it to be true. You’re an adult, have you been paying attention?Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
I was tutored by a math genius because I was well beyond any class my fancy private school offered. And now I barely use math except for basics, stats and biz.
I was also tutored in compensatory skills for my ADD. Not sure how much that did then though I have good skills now.
My brother was tutored by a chess grandmaster and now is a master himself.
Lots of reasons for tutors.
Depending on what's available in your region, there may also be a viable option (c)... Charter.
We are fortunate to have an EXCELLENT one our kids go to. Seriously one of the best educations available in town, regardless of price. It is a classical liberal arts education. My kids are in 2nd/3rd grades and they can seriously smoke most public high schoolers these days on the basics of geography, math, english, world history, poetry, literature, art, etc. Blows my mind actually what these kids know. My 2nd grader has the entire preamble to the Constitution memorized, my son just recited the entire "Friends, Romans, Countrymen, Lend me your ears" speech from Julius Caesar.
And they're fluent in cursive by 2nd grade.
This is normal for anybody here who went to public school in the 50s-80s, but it is NOT normal in the 00s+.
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(those are some rosy colored glasses you got there, bub)Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Yeah, that wasn’t “normal” in public schools in the seventies and eighties. Maybe the cursive part and some math and reading comprehension in second and third grade.
Fluent in cursive? [emoji1787]Quote:
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How many dead languages can they speak?
I'm glad it works for your family. However, all schools should be teaching what the charter school is able to teach. Charter schools elevate a select group at the expense of the rest.Quote:
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Fluent in cursive is bad now? That was one of my gripes about my kids and common core. They dropped cursive in favor of keyboarding. What a joke. Nothing like getting a job application and there’s no signature. Just printed letters. Might as well make an x like mongo. Not to mention being able to read cursive historical documents or that letter from grandma
You can learn to sign your name easily. Spending a few years on cursive reading and writing is a fucking waste. Keyboarding is a very important universal skill and shouldn't be delayed.
They will be the only folks in the cubicle farm to still know how to write an interoffice memo on a yellow pad.
I agree with your first part. It really should serve as a template for all public schools to follow. Down to the building construction where they basically copy/paste the same one everywhere (just as they do in Japan!)Quote:
Originally Posted by riser4
As to the second part, I disagree to some extent. My kids have had plenty of poor classmates from worse parts of town, who if not for the existence of such charter schools, would not remotely have access to such an excellent education. It really can be quite the equalizer in many communities. You wanna talk equity? This is a great start.
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I believe there is something to writing things down versus typing when it comes to learning. Cursive isn't important, IMO, it was invented to accommodate the quill. Once you are in the workforce, virtually everything is on a computer anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
I think the only thing of consequence I have physically signed beyond a restaurant bill is my mortgage. Everything else is digital.
By the way, who the hell is signing a job application? I think the last paper application I submitted was probably 20 years ago.
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My kiddo is in a charter school, and the kids in her school district that are NOT in a charter school are hardly suffering; my district has excellent "regular" schools and excellent charter schools that fill a niche. I happen to think her school is great and am very glad she is there, but she also would have been fine at the regular school, because it is also great.</p>
As with many things, YMMV. There are good charter schools, private and public schools. And there are indeed terrible versions of the same. Some charters are absolute nightmares with atrocious standards, so it REALLY depends on what's available in your area. We're fortunate in that there is a TON of school choice where we live, no matter which route a parent chooses for their children.Quote:
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do they teach keyboarding at young ages now or what ? In my day it was typing I should have taken which would have been handy, I just kind of know where the keys are from fixing a lot of tywriters and computers
Well, I'm the guy that believes that all public schools should be quality schools, that there should be no school choice, and that exactly zero public dollars should go to private schools of any kind. Unfortunately that is not the case. I had the privilege to attend decent public schools and so did my kids. Not everyone has that privilege. They should.
Ditto
Agreed w riser. There are great charter schools, but make no mistake, they get to pick their enrollment much the same as private schools do so their demographic of students is different even if their have some drawn from lower economic groups. And they can and do weed our low performers when that option is not possible in a public school. Our district is far from the best and has probably one of the consistently worst boards anywhere, they should still be funded better and not a dime of public money should go to private schools instead. Vouchers are an class warfare crime
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I agree with most of that. But no school choice is limiting, because not every school can or should be one size fits all. The charter school my kid goes to IS a public school, and anyone can get in via lottery. Way back when I was in school (back in the stone ages according to my smart ass kid), I went to a citywide public school that required a test to get in. I suppose in areas with no public transport such schools could be seen as exclusionary because they require a car ride, but I took public transport to high school and my kid could take it to her school (if I lived somewhere less car-focused).</p>
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Expecting every public school to fit every student is madness, IMO. We should have great public schools and every kid should have a great "neighborhood" school, on that we agree. But if you feel like every kid must go to that school or it is private school for them, well, I think that is way too limiting, because some schools are better at some things than others and kids are unique.</p>
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The charter schools here are pure lottery. They are in some sense exclusionary because you have to actually apply for the lottery and have the ability to get your kid to the school, but they do NOT get to pick their enrollment. And her school does not weed out kids at all, quite the opposite.</p>
I don't see a problem with a school for high performers in districts that have enough schools to specialize. In small districts having special programs in each school makes sense. In big districts have special schools makes sense.
Because no, not every kid is capable of learning the same way, or performing as well, as ever other kid.