Al Gore

Who?..................

Al Gore, genius

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by woodstocksez

I can't recall being asked to footnote statements I've made in conversation, and that's what a thread is, a conversation, not a term paper or a thesis. Nevertheless ...



It became common knowledge as a joke. I didn't know that there were people who believed that or who thought that others did. I don't recall his exact words, but my understanding of the whole "invented the Internet" thing is that it was a goof on what were thought to be some exaggerated claims he made regarding his hand in propelling development of the Internet.



Good questions. Really. It's not so hard to dig for the information, so if you're really interested, I wonder why you didn't. Google "Gore's energy usage," for example. You'll get lots of hits. I perused a few. It seems that he's generally thought to be using way more than his share of energy, but there are - or may be - mitigating factors. I won't try to summarize what I read. Search and read it yourself.

---

Ok for example if in a 'conversation' I said, 'in High school this guy woodstocksez used to stick it in his mother's poopenhausen in front of his sister and father.' Do you think I should have to back that up. Typically I would just ignore it if I thought it sounded unlikely or similar to other attempts to discredit someone that I've encountered before.

For expample the Gore internet thing was not a joke and was created and passed on by supposedly reputable journalists apparently desparate to discredit him on basis of polictics. Sort of like oil companies are desparate and rich enough to go to great lengths to discredit those overly concerned with global warming and the role of carbon. I made the statement so I'll back it up with some links.
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

http://www.igs.berkeley.edu/research...rs/Gore412.pdf

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h032999_1.shtml

I'd go digging myself like I did when I first wanted to find out about the internet thing but the history seems to show a real need to discredit the guy beyond all acceptable standards so I'm not biting on 'common knowledge' I am just asking someone to offer credible proof about his carbon footprint be in 10 times the US average or bigger than Canada's just something credible.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

Ok for example if in a 'conversation' I said, 'in High school this guy woodstocksez used to stick it in his mother's poopenhausen in front of his sister and father.' Do you think I should have to back that up. Typically I would just ignore it if I thought it sounded unlikely or similar to other attempts to discredit someone that I've encountered before.

---

I think you may or may not "back it up" (and you could do that in any number of ways, which will vary in credibility) and I'd accord veracity to your contention based on that, as well as other criteria (such as what I know about you and Woodstocksez, as well as the things you mention in the last sentence of the above paragraph). "Providing proof" is not the be all and end all. I believe plenty of things that people tell me without asking them to cite to other authority. So do you. So does everyone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

For expample the Gore internet thing was not a joke and was created and passed on by supposedly reputable journalists apparently desparate to discredit him on basis of polictics. Sort of like oil companies are desparate and rich enough to go to great lengths to discredit those overly concerned with global warming and the role of carbon. I made the statement so I'll back it up with some links.
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

http://www.igs.berkeley.edu/research...rs/Gore412.pdf

http://www.dailyhowler.com/h032999_1.shtml

---

The Gore Internet thing did become a joke, whatever it was when it started. (Ever visit a Yahoo message board before they became extinct?)

I didn't review all of the links you gave. I did look at some of the Berkeley paper. The actual statement was apparently that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." I'll grant that that's not quite "inventing the Internet," but it is an overstatement and I don't have a problem with him being criticized for it. Moreover, doesn't the same or similar happen to all politicians? It's part of the game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

I'd go digging myself like I did when I first wanted to find out about the internet thing but the history seems to show a real need to discredit the guy beyond all acceptable standards so I'm not biting on 'common knowledge' I am just asking someone to offer credible proof about his carbon footprint be in 10 times the US average or bigger than Canada's just something credible.

---

Enough with Canada: none of us are retarded here, no matter how much some like to insist that's the case.

Certainly skepticism is in order when someone offers up that Gore is an outsized user of energy and therefore a hypocrite on the subject of global warming. But the scenario is certainly plausible: Al Gore would hardly be the first to say do as I say, not as I do. If you really want to know, it's not hard to do the simple search I suggested. Moreover, you're more likely to find skeptical views than if you rely on "authority" provided by the person making the statement, thus providing a better picture of what the situation really is.

For my part, I view all news reporting skeptically. I've seen reputable newspapers get it wrong when reporting on my field of endeavor, even when they have no axe grind and aren't doing so on purpose.

We're probably putting too much effort into this. After all, Gore is getting pretty fat.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by woodstocksez

I think you may or may not "back it up" (and you could do that in any number of ways, which will vary in credibility) and I'd accord veracity to your contention based on that, as well as other criteria (such as what I know about you and Woodstocksez, as well as the things you mention in the last sentence of the above paragraph). "Providing proof" is not the be all and end all. I believe plenty of things that people tell me without asking them to cite to other authority. So do you. So does everyone.



The Gore Internet thing did become a joke, whatever it was when it started. (Ever visit a Yahoo message board before they became extinct?)

I didn't review all of the links you gave. I did look at some of the Berkeley paper. The actual statement was apparently that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." I'll grant that that's not quite "inventing the Internet," but it is an overstatement and I don't have a problem with him being criticized for it. Moreover, doesn't the same or similar happen to all politicians? It's part of the game.



Enough with Canada: none of us are retarded here, no matter how much some like to insist that's the case.

Certainly skepticism is in order when someone offers up that Gore is an outsized user of energy and therefore a hypocrite on the subject of global warming. But the scenario is certainly plausible: Al Gore would hardly be the first to say do as I say, not as I do. If you really want to know, it's not hard to do the simple search I suggested. Moreover, you're more likely to find skeptical views than if you rely on "authority" provided by the person making the statement, thus providing a better picture of what the situation really is.

For my part, I view all news reporting skeptically. I've seen reputable newspapers get it wrong when reporting on my field of endeavor, even when they have no axe grind and aren't doing so on purpose.

We're probably putting too much effort into this. After all, Gore is getting pretty fat.

---

You're right we all take things at face value from some sources. That is KNOWN SOURCES as opposed to some guy with an alias spewing on the internet. Especially when the subject is someone who has been falsely maligned before.

You parsed Gore's statement again. In fact what he said is 'in his role in senate he is proud of the intiative he took in creating the internet.' I think it is fair to say the government was a driving force behind the internet and Gore was a driving force within the government by all accounts.

The guys who wrote most of the code for the internet said Gore was consistently putting forth bills that advanced and popularized the internet which I think is fair to say creating it as it is today. It's easy to change or shorten a quote and change it's meaning substantially.

Yes it became a joke but with Gore at the brunt of that joke based on something he never said/did. It first was reported as fact which is ironic since journalists made up facts to ridicule someone they claimed made up facts.

I've never given a crap about the Canada statement other than it is typically idiotic. I would just like to see someone back up statements about 10-20 times the average american. Yea I can look but given the source and the history of false accusations about Gore I'm more inclined to dismiss it as shit just as you would from a bad source with an outrageous claim in a personal conversation.

Let's face it on this topic you have stated the Gore/internet thing was only a joke and then you parsed his quote to something that implied something different. You're are not a source worthy of me digging verification for especially since you can't be bothered to back up your own statements.

Yea he's fat...... still completely unclear on what that has to do with anything. Not like it's Kirstie (Ally?) that made me stiff and then got grossly fat and is worthy of lament.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

You parsed Gore's statement again. In fact what he said is 'in his role in senate he is proud of the intiative he took in creating the internet.'

...

Let's face it on this topic you have stated the Gore/internet thing was only a joke and then you parsed his quote to something that implied something different. You're are not a source worthy of me digging verification for especially since you can't be bothered to back up your own statements.

---

I parsed Gore's statement? The Berkeley paper that you cited states "Using a content analysis of the top 50 newspapers in the United States (and a smaller content analysis of web pages on the Net ) we show that people more often quoted Gore as saying he `invented' the internet than what he actually said (i.e., he `took the initiative in creating' the internet)." Maybe you should read your own sources. Note, too, that I used the word "apparently" in representing what he said, since I was getting my information secondhand (i.e., from the Berkeley paper). Credibility? You obviously see what you want to see. You're a child.

Moreover, even if Gore said what you said he did, it looks like puffery to me. A more realistic assessment of his role might be that he took initiative in helping to create the Internet. Contrary to your contention, it is not fair to say that putting forth bills that advanced and popularized the internet is creating it as it is today. That may have been an assistance in creation; it was not creation. We could also get more deeply into what the bills were, what his role and intentions were, etc.: things are not always what they seem. Right?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

Yea he's fat...... still completely unclear on what that has to do with anything.

---

Aaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhhhh! You're painful.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Phill

Al Gore, genius

---

Exactly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by woodstocksez

Contrary to your contention, it is not fair to say that putting forth bills that advanced and popularized the internet is creating it as it is today. That may have been an assistance in creation; it was not creation. We could also get more deeply into what the bills were, what his role and intentions were, etc.: things are not always what they seem. Right?

---

What he actually said as one sentence is 'during my service in Congress, I took the intiative in creating the internet.' Which is to say he took intiative as part of congress which yes did (help) create the internet. Prior to government involvement it was a series of intranets connected to various computers. There is no single birth. He did not say he created it, he said he took intiative in creating it as in an ongoing process which he was PART of as PART of congress. Yes saying he helped would have been more accurate but it still falls way short from saying he invented it.

Keep reading there is an interesting analysis on english speaking non americans reading the actual quote to assess the language without the planted notion of the false quote which you clearly hold strongly as the non child you believe you are.

Sorry commenting on anyone's weight lacks relevance to me and causes you pain. Guess that comes from your vast maturity.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

Yes saying he helped would have been more accurate but it still falls way short from saying he invented it.

Keep reading there is an interesting analysis on english speaking non americans reading the actual quote to assess the language without the planted notion of the false quote which you clearly hold strongly as the non child you believe you are.

---

As I said, you see what you want to see. I've never said at any point that I believed Gore said he invented the Internet. Perhaps I was wrong before about no one here being retarded. You're pathetic.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by L7

Sorry commenting on anyone's weight lacks relevance to me and causes you pain. Guess that comes from your vast maturity.

---

It's a goof, dimwit. If you don't want to participate, then fine. But to comment seriously on the lack of relevance of repeated comments from others that are obviously a goof is, again, pathetic.

Stop taking yourself so seriously. You don't merit it.