Ukraine

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

Even in the middle east the conflict Parties took water as a secondary goal after politices. Israel cetainly didn't say no to the sources on the golan heights and actually bombed a dam in Jordan, but the dam was supposed to be built as a political measure.

The water wars "have been coming" since the late 90s. They haven't happenend yet. The Melting glaciers and the highly erratic monsoon seasons will be of much greater concern to the 2 Billion people relying on the 5 great Asian rivers than the whims of Emperor XI. Especially since China will not grow anymore or even start to Lose people because of Demographic change. So assuming they won't build palm springs like Golf courses in the takla makan, they won't need more water. Especially since water use will become more efficient in a country transitioing from an NIC to an industrialized Nation.

But I thought they'd teach that at deep thinker school.

But yes. Water is a resource. You sure didn't Sound like you meant it though. Im sure it was blatantly obvious in your deep thinking analytic mind which we mere mortals can't follow.

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Germans really have their head up their ass wrt china. They may not, to your expert ass, need more water but they very much have plans to take more water. There were water shortages earlier this month to make snow for the shitshow games

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

Even in the middle east the conflict Parties took water as a secondary goal after politices. Israel cetainly didn't say no to the sources on the golan heights and actually bombed a dam in Jordan, but the dam was supposed to be built as a political measure.

The water wars "have been coming" since the late 90s. They haven't happenend yet. The Melting glaciers and the highly erratic monsoon seasons will be of much greater concern to the 2 Billion people relying on the 5 great Asian rivers than the whims of Emperor XI. Especially since China will not grow anymore or even start to Lose people because of Demographic change. So assuming they won't build palm springs like Golf courses in the takla makan, they won't need more water. Especially since water use will become more efficient in a country transitioing from an NIC to an industrialized Nation.

But I thought they'd teach that at deep thinker school.

But yes. Water is a resource. You sure didn't Sound like you meant it though. Im sure it was blatantly obvious in your deep thinking analytic mind which we mere mortals can't follow.

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The Golan Heights is the one thing I am perfectly fine that Israel occupied and if it was up to me, think they should keep in perpetuity. Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem, no. Golan Heights, yes. Mostly for the strategic high ground against Syria. If it was just about water, no.

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

You're saying I wasted my time going to a party school?

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Never ever, Garth!

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Yea that cuts deep. I thought I was slightly more cultured, like an eclair or something. I like eclairs. I like donuts too though.

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You’re a cold styrofoam cup of gas station coffee, you!

I’m just here for the food-based roast battles.

Party on Wayne. Just don't play Stairway

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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

You’re a cold styrofoam cup of gas station coffee, you!

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And a month old hot dog that's been spinning to obscurity in the device next to the above coffee maker. On a moldy bun. With expired mayo.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Germans really have their head up their ass wrt china. They may not, to your expert ass, need more water but they very much have plans to take more water. There were water shortages earlier this month to make snow for the shitshow games

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I swore I'd never reply to you anymore, but you do realize how far Tibet and the northwestern chinese dry steppe are apart and which water sheds are concerned? Hence my palm springs taklamakan joke which you apparently didn't get. And no I won't Respond any more. [emoji6]

Netflix and chill: https://www.politico.eu/article/us-s...in-propaganda/

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

I swore I'd never reply to you anymore, but you do realize how far Tibet and the northwestern chinese dry steppe are apart and which water sheds are concerned? Hence my palm springs taklamakan joke which you apparently didn't get. And no I won't Respond any more. [emoji6]

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And yet you are a shameless clout chasing insecure kraut so you do. Yes I’m aware you stupid cunt, and so is china
https://thediplomat.com/2021/10/what...ering-project/

There’s plenty of info out there, but I guess Germans pretending not to know has a long history

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Originally Posted by frorider

Netflix and chill: https://www.politico.eu/article/us-s...in-propaganda/

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Next, Netflix will arrange to have Ukraine blow up its own bridge.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

There’s plenty of info out there, but I guess Germans pretending not to know has a long history

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From done of what I've read, western European intelligence screwed up and didn't believe this was really coming. The German spy chief had to escape Kyiv by car because he got caught there when Russia invaded.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

"Rainbows of peace" as a Russian official described the missile attacks on the BBC earlier this week.

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Posting it again because it's an interesting bit of history.
Attachment 407459

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Originally Posted by Summit

Oh Russia knows how. PUTIN knows how. He literally made his name on it.

See Grozny 1995 vs Grozny 1999. In 95 the Red Army had the defenders outnumbered 10 to 1 and it was a year long bloody and destructive fight that caused 30k civilian casualties and crushed a city <10% the size of Kyiv.

When Russia came back for the Second Chechen War in 1999 with Putin in charge, they took Grozny in a month with 1/2 the troop strength advantage and 1/4 the civilian casualties. He then prevailed against the insurgency over the next 9 years. It gained Putin a lot of political credit at home.

But Putin cannot pull a Grozny '99. I don't think the world is going to stand for a similar performance at scale. Even 50K civilian casualties in a first world metro is not gonna be a good look, much less 500K, with the power of modern media and livestream video. He won't be able to keep it out of his population's heads.

Also, Ukraine is 40 Chechnyas.

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I heard someone recently say they don't really think counterinsurgency is possible without war crimes, so it becomes a question of what people are willing to put up with seeing. That its Ukraine and not some far away country in the Caucasus probably makes this harder, unless something else comes along like a ship burning to shift our collective attention away.

It's interesting to see Chechen troops being sent to Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by abraham

From done of what I've read, western European intelligence screwed up and didn't believe this was really coming. The German spy chief had to escape Kyiv by car because he got caught there when Russia invaded.

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US Intel was spot fucking on. We called it right on the money.

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don't really think counterinsurgency is possible without war crimes

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"#Russia has now deployed TOS-1 launchers to the outskirts of heavily populated areas

Thermobaric weapons against civilian targets have zero military purpose

It would be a war crime aimed at terrorizing & slaughtering people into submission"

-Vice Chair US Intelligence Committee

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Originally Posted by abraham

From done of what I've read, western European intelligence screwed up and didn't believe this was really coming. The German spy chief had to escape Kyiv by car because he got caught there when Russia invaded.

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Hmm... I'd expect the Germans to have good intelligence, growing up staring down the Soviet barrel and all. Certainly they knew it could happen, or worse. Everybody knows armies roll across Europe now and then.

Probably like us in here, confusing what we want to happen with what may or will happen. I sure hope Putin's getting his ass handed to him - that doesn't mean he is.

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Originally Posted by MTT

So nothing new to report from Ukraine? I guess I’ll channel surf to see if anything has developed

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Get Telegram app. I’ll some channels that share photos and videos from Ukraine. It will not be in English tho.

Sooo good

https://twitter.com/aliostad/status/...1hyLvdEHw&s=19

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If Putin uses thermobarics on civilians, I think that is the trigger for the risky "no fly zone" idea I had earlier... either that or just semi-plausible-denial attacks against Russian air and tactical rocket units by F-22, F-35, various stealth drones, maybe even B-2s. We have B-21s but not sure if they are combat ready...

Suddenly we wish we'd built the RAH-66 Comanche after all.

I’m now only able to stream one of the radio stations from kiev. 101.7… and it’s a lot of pretty dramatic talking and kinda heavy music.
I don’t speak Ukrainian, but I can sure pick up a vibe.
This is music you listen to in the locker room before a hockey game.

Why do so many of the captured russian soldiers have clear tape over their eyes?

eg. https://twitter.com/StrictlyChristo/...34396197994500

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Originally Posted by Thaleia

Why do so many of the captured russian soldiers have clear tape over their eyes?

eg. https://twitter.com/StrictlyChristo/...34396197994500

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They caught them all by stringing the tape across open doorways

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Originally Posted by Thaleia

Why do so many of the captured russian soldiers have clear tape over their eyes?

eg. https://twitter.com/StrictlyChristo/...34396197994500

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Wow I will never get over how surreal it is to see this unfolding over social media. That video is something.

Mom: How did you end up there (in Ukraine)
POW: They told us to go and we went.

Doesn’t sound like a man who is stoked to be there.

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Originally Posted by Thaleia

Why do so many of the captured russian soldiers have clear tape over their eyes?

eg. https://twitter.com/StrictlyChristo/...34396197994500

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Probably so they can be transported on their own two feet rather than blindfolded and useless but they can't identify faces or places.

The wind is blowing the other direction

I think the people and governments of Europe are now rooting for the Ukrainian people. And ready to fight with them. To some extent. I’m not hearing anything about Russia starting a nuclear war

Every hour ever increasing military support, logistics and more is openly discussed

Everyone understands that this was a line crossed. Your in a fight start fighting now

The statement from the NATO Secretary General. Russia has broken the peace and stability of the European continent

NATO. Has activated the ??? For the first time since it was formed

Sounds like Belarus ? Is also in the doghouse

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Originally Posted by Falcon3

Wow I will never get over how surreal it is to see this unfolding over social media. That video is something.

Mom: How did you end up there (in Ukraine)
POW: They told us to go and we went.

Doesn’t sound like a man who is stoked to be there.

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There's countless videos that share the same theme - super young russians in captivity, all claiming they knew very little about the assault. Some saying they thought they were being deployed for a massive training mission and only finding out they're headed to war days ago.

Tons here https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/

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Originally Posted by gravitylover

Probably so they can be transported on their own two feet rather than blindfolded and useless but they can't identify faces or places.

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Aww makes sense, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Thaleia

There's countless videos that share the same theme - super young russians in captivity, all claiming they knew very little about the assault. Some saying they thought they were being deployed for a massive training mission and only finding out they're headed to war days ago.

Tons here https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/



Aww makes sense, thanks.

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Yeah I’ve been doing a lot of doom scrolling on night shift this week. Watching Ukrainian 19 year olds pop out of trenches and shoot MANPADS at helicopters then post it on TikTok. Crazy shit.

In a morbid way I really like this one
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._medium=mweb3x

And it’s a reminder that Ukraine and Russia have been at war for the past 10 years

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Yeah I’ve been doing a lot of doom scrolling on night shift this week. Watching Ukrainian 19 year olds pop out of trenches and shoot MANPADS at helicopters then post it on TikTok. Crazy shit.

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Not exacly John Wayne and the Sands of Iwo Jima.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdpsM-6VJGo

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Crazy is that one of the top rated “news” hosts is a white nationalist Putin apologist.


This Reddit feed has lots of current info that typically gets confirmed:

https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs

Big air raid and paratroopers dropping in Kyiv.

Man. Ukrainians must all have massive balls or something. Props tho to the Russian soldiers here who just laughed when the car driver was messing with them. Could have ended very differently:

https://youtu.be/14gVDF2b1vA

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Looks like Russia is being cut out of SWIFT. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am for this move as it is the harshest response we can make short of direct military engagement

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Originally Posted by cat in january

Looks like Russia is being cut out of SWIFT. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am for this move as it is the harshest response we can make short of direct military engagement

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This will be interesting. My understanding is that Germany and other countries might lose 30% or their heating and power generation with no place currently capable of backfilling that.

That a big deal in march

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Originally Posted by cat in january

Looks like Russia is being cut out of SWIFT. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am for this move as it is the harshest response we can make short of direct military engagement

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I jsut came to post this. The public outcry is having the desired effect on their leaders - there is an appetite and an expectation that governments take action. Fuck you Putin.

Also Russia has said such an action would be considered a declaration of war. They don’t seem to have resources to act on it much, but time will tell. And definitely fuck Putin

Unconfirmed but highly plausible: citizens welding hedgehog tank barriers and making piles and piles of Molotovs

https://imgur.com/gallery/SFoGxZW

Ukrainian soldiers holding NLAWS and asking to be fed Russian tanks

https://imgur.com/gallery/e4eqta6

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Originally Posted by cat in january

Also Russia has said such an action would be considered a declaration of war. They don’t seem to have resources to act on it much, but time will tell. And definitely fuck Putin

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Europe is getting in lockstep. Russian airlines barred from airspace, etc. The Putin brand/association is toxic. I'm hoping he over played his hand and fucked this up. As you said, time will tell. It's long overdue to break Russia/Putin tho. The tentacles of influence by the worst of our politicians, spy-craft / FUD, the nefarious trade deals and building dependence - he's been crafty.

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

You think any of them will make a difference? No training?

Have you thought about the escalation of Russian aggression on civilian targets this will cause? You think Putin has a soft heart?

Hmmm How do I say this? In Western Europe they have a history of not resorting to throwing their civilians into the Breech.

Let’s see if you guys can stomach the pictures of dead civilians?

Or is that what you want?




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Shut the fuck up. And go fuck yourself.

Every man in Ukraine serves in the military for two years at age 18.

I was born there. Fuck off.

But it may all come tumbling down. If so, it'll be a new day here. Here's hoping.

FUCK PUTIN

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