"You don't eat meat?..........
That's okay, I'll fix lamb"
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"You don't eat meat?..........
That's okay, I'll fix lamb"
Well, so what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
We weren't "supposed" to sit on our asses, in trucks, in traffic either. We're equiped to walk/run/jump.
Nor wear glasses.
Nor be cooled and heated in buildings. etc, etc.
Hey, you're equiped with nipples !!
(oh btw, veggy, since b4 you were born, 1975 :D)
I'll eat almost anything with legs.
Dabbled in not eating cow, pig, fowl etc in my youth. Found it very difficult to keep weight on and energy high.
But last year I was in a fancy restaurant in Catalonia in which I finally had to ask, "Do you have anything that doesn't have fois gras in it?" :eek:
http://veganconnection.com/veganbeer.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuckerman
So all those beers listed don't use animal finings, but what about the yeast?
This is a song about vegetables . . . they keep you regular; they're real good for ya.)
Call any vegetable
(Call any vegetable)
Call it by name
(Call any vegetable)
Call one today
(Call any vegetable)
When you get off the train
(Call any vegetable)
Call any vegetable
And the chances are good
Ooooh! The vegetable
Will respond to you
(Some people don't go for prunes . . . I dunno . . . I've always found that if they . . . )
Call any vegetable
(Call any vegetable)
Pick up your phone
(Call any vegetable)
Think of a vegetable
(Call any vegetable)
Lonely at home
(Call any vegetable)
Call any vegetable
And the chances are good
That a vegetable will respond to you-hoooo
RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA
RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA RUTA-BAY-AY-AYGA
RUTA-BAYYYYY . . .
(A prune isn't really a vegetable. Cabbage is a vegetable.)
No one will know
If you don't want to let 'em know
No one will know
'Less it's you that might tell 'em so
Call and they'll come to you
Covered with dew
Vegetables dream
Of responding to you
Standing there
Shiny & proud by your side
Holding your hand
While the neighbors decide
Why is a vegetable
Something to hide?
YAR-R-R-R-R-G-H!
8th grade science... Yeasts are unicellular eukaryotic microorganisms classified in the kingdom FungiQuote:
Originally Posted by scoober
WTF is wrong with corn? Don't tell me its causing global warming or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
I try not to eat round up resistant corn personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
The US is becoming a corn monoculture, everything you can think of and then some has some kind of corn product in it. As an omnivore I take exception to being force fed corn all the time.
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Originally Posted by lemon boy
gee, thanks for straightening me out there, lemon boy.
when i see a cow en route to my next ski outing, i'll try my damn best to tell myself " i wanna eat THAT!" and if i have enough sack, i'll sneak up on the old lass and see if i can bury my vestigial fangs into that sweet flesh. ditto for the chickens and pigs who cross my path.
meat was rare for our hunter/gatherer ancestors, to whom you must be referring. the staples were the grains/fruits/vegetables that were gathered during the warmer months. the hunt would be a source of fat to allow these folks to survive the cold months.
fast foward to america today and we have an environment choking on the unprocessed excremant of literally tens of millions of animals (which of course trickles into the gulf of mexico to harvest the ever growing dead zones...we have an increasingly obese population that eats cheap meat grown in felled amazon rain forests, heart disease, cancer...not to mention
diseases like mad cow tht caused the destruction of the entire UK cattle herd about 8 years back.
i've been a vegeratian for about 17 years...all of my coworkers (many younger than me) sport double chins and huge bellies...and i'm often mistaken for being 15+ years younger than my age.
to talk about how humans should live is a topic far beyond this discussion, but i for one choose not to partake in the cruel and toxic environment that is the meat industry...except tp feed my cats...but even they love tofu turkey and seitan, so there's even hope for them;)
Foie gras, unhealthy ? You gotta be kidding. What can be more healthy than eating a sick goose liver ?
An appropriate wine is everything that's needed to complete a nicely balanced meal. Add truffles for an intake of vegetable.
Thanks Wikipedia!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greydon Clark
I am dumb.
If you don't chew a kernel, it won't digest. It can then sit in your colon for some years until it gives you cancer. I have a picture of a piece of corn in my colon.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
you work for TSA?Quote:
Originally Posted by buckethead
http://www.atnet.org/news/2003/images/tsa.gif
It all depends on why you're not eating said beef and pork. If it's for animal rights reasons, then yea, it seems silly not to go full on vegetarian, but if you're trying to cut out the least efficient meat producing animals &/or those that produce the most waste/pollution, it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
I, for one, am on the "free range beef on public land is bad" bandwagon, so beef tends not to be for dinner. I also find the waste produced by current factory pig farms to be horrible, so bacon is a delicacy that I rarely indulge in.
Oh, and no shrimp. Farm raised or wild caught, it's bad news.
Spoken like a true Frenchmen. As a nation you do know how to eat, and make wine. (and stay slim while doing it)Quote:
Originally Posted by philippeR
As to the double chins and big bellies referred to earlier, but is less about what you eat as about how much, and the French (and most euros) are a good example. Take about the nonvegans....
you should check out North carolina and its neighbors as a reason not to eat chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by backpack
The concentrated animal-feeding operations there are just as bad and dangerous as the pig sheds in the midwest. Google Tyson and waste or something. its nasty.
and LB's point also is valid.
I go light on the dairy and cage free the eggs, but Cheese was the one thing I dearly missed when I was full vegan.
Vegan is latin for being a pain in your friend and family's ass.
unless you are a great cook that loves to entertain, I heart those vegans.
I agree. I don't eat chicken, pork, dairy (from cows - I love the goat milk and cheese from our local goat dairy farm) or wheat anymore (and I limit corn). I make an exception for chicken wings which are allowed during a couple football games a year. And I'm not 100% consistent with the wheat, but I'd say I eat one small thing a day with wheat in it, which was a massive change from my previous diet. Cool thing is that I haven't gotten sick since cutting at least most of the wheat out of my diet, even when everyone around me has had the flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
I would NEVER give up red meat, fish or seafood though...
My main goal with food is to eat as much raw, natural food as possible. And to not be a pain in the ass about it. For special occasions or going out, I just pick the best of whats available and enjoy it.
Have you ever seen a poultry operation? I've reviewed EAs based on poultry operations and they have the same concerns of waste disposal as cow and pig operations. On larger operations they will produce a huge amount of waste (as much as most dairy farming operations).Quote:
Originally Posted by backpack
Of coarse there is also a process called debeaking, but that gets back to animal rights.
On the bright side this thread reminded me I've got to pull the beef roast out of the freezer.
Replace one or two meals a day with nicotine and you’ll be skinny too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hutash
Why did you cut out wheat?Quote:
Originally Posted by altagirl
the beef thing about free range and public lands always strikes me as a little funny b/c here in Colorado it is much less prevalent than elsewhere (actually all of the people I know who really hate it come from UT). Cattle here (at least the ones I buy) are raised on a split diet of mostly privately owned pasture/grass and then in the fall/winter pastured on corn then grain fed in a feedlot. Plenty of problems at each step but raping public land isn't generally one of them. :D
Last night we had wild rice from MN, organic hippy roasted red peppers in o/o with garlic (homemade) and wild pheasant breasts stuffed with green chilies (hatch) and crumbled white mexican cheese, with bacon. OH YEAH!
The probelem, IMO, about eating the cattle you are speaking of...and this is just for me...is the land use associated with raising those cows. The amount of land it takes to sustain a cow on "corn" in a feed lot for half the year is something like 20 times the amount of land it would take to sustain a person over the same duration of time. Just not a logical use of land...that could be used to raise crops to feed the world or returned to wilderness etc. Beyond that the waste they produce (a.k.a. shit) gets into rivers, streams, etc. The land use thing is part of the reason why some people go with the free range beef....but the free range beef is sometimes raised on public land. Hence why some people don't eat beef at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon boy
Funny thing is a friend of mine recommended trying it for a few weeks to see how I felt. I figured hell, cutting out wheat cuts out most junk food too, so why not. And I did feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam
Then I was discussing it with my mom, and she said that when I was a kid, I tested as being mildly allergic to wheat (and milk). But they figured giving me allergy shots was the easier way out than feeding me a special diet.
Anyway - it seems to make me feel better to not eat it, and I don't get sick. This year is the first time in my life I've not caught the colds my husband and or co-workers around me have had. So I'm sticking with it as much as possible.
vegans are wierd (not only becuase it's un-natural, but also because vegans act wierd) ... be a caveman and eat some protein as this is how we have survived as man for thousands of years... if you don't like this fuck you
Are you trying to tell me that God can't appreciate good deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greydon Clark
That's one of my biggest reason not to eat cow. Its a economic reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn...images/cow.gif + http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn...s/campfire.jpg = DINNER BABY!:biggrin:
except that animals aren't killed the way the were then. in "prehistorical" (that phrase is so dumb) times, animals weren't kept in factory's, and clamped onto a milking machine. Even free range animals aren't treated like they should be, the FDA has very relaxed expectations as far as free range meats go. animal exploitation is wrong, and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by evrblazin
We the United States already (including land "wasted" on beef feed) are able to grow enough food to feed the world - mainly rice, wheat, and corn. The midwest farm belt is ENORMOUS - the largest such area in the world. Ukraine alone has enough open farm space to feed all of Europe.
Guess what - we actually do have the food to feed all the starving folks on the planet... the problem is getting it to the end user before it rots. One of the WTO issues right now has to do with Burkina Faso and potatoes. This smallish African country could grow all the potatoes the world needs - easily - and cheaper than any one else. Guess what the Idaho farmers think of that idea?
Jesus Christ, kid - they're food, not pets. We're talking about cows, not Weimeraners. I can understand the argument that pigs are smarter than dogs on average, and that this should be "respected,' but then I remember that I love ribs, pork chops, bacon, and shoulder roast and thus stop thinking about the poor fucking pig and remember that I am at the top of the food chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam
Wild Turkeys are considered by many to be the smartest game bird - Ben Franklin even proposed making it our National Bird instead of the scavenging flying rat called the Bald Eagle.... Then he ate one after he lost the vote.
but why should there be any difference between how we feel about dogs versus other animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
and i like soy products alot. they are very good.
Because in our society Dogs are Pets, not food. Go to SE Asia and see how they feel about Fido. Hell, they may not be food but I've seen maybe one pure bred dog - read: pet - in Central America that didn't belong to an Anglo.
so Tipp man whats your answer to the 100of thousands of gallons of shit/feces that pollute the country side and rivers?
How about the antibiotics and insecticides required to raise pigs & chickens in their shoulder to shoulder constions of modern "farms"
and LB, deserts are not the place to raise livestock nor alfalfa, despite the subsidies to the contrary.
I like to take things apart and put them back together again. Is that vegan?
"in our society". in our society a lot of things are stupid and pointless and make me really angry. and i'm not condoning eating dogs either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
Nah-ah.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam
It just means in the days before (pre) people habitually recorded what happened (historical).
Cave paintings and Stonehenge being unfathomable, and all.
Don't mean to break your balls. You make some good points :cool:
and TJBrk
Didn't know you guys ate cow meat (udders)
Isn't beef just made from males ? Mmh, male-meat :tongue:
Man, this thread got me thinkin' bout how scrumptious an egg is still warm right from the coop. Fried please.
Free range beef, hell I'm eat mostly free range whitetail. If i didn't shoot it, I usually don't eat it. Now that's pure protein!Quote:
Originally Posted by backpack
Good Luck,
Jay
20 seconds with google will give thousands of articles showing the common sense result that eating meat which contains lots of saturated fat massively increases the risks of heart disease, cancer, etc. Of course, scientific evidence of health benefits won't stop anyone from ranting about "what we are meant to eat". Google will also show that cardiovascular disease is increasingly common in young Americans, even teenagers.
"It is estimated from the third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) (1988-1991) that 33% of the US population is obese, compared with 25% in NHANES II (1976-1980).1 Fatness is associated with a number of comorbidities, including several forms of heart disease. Although heredity explains 30% to 70% of cases of obesity, environmental contributions to the increasing prevalence of obesity must be sought since the gene pool has remained stable over the same interval. Diets high in fat (and calories)2 and a reduced expenditure of energy in the form of physical activity3 are the most likely explanations. "
"Eric Rimm, Sc.D., and his Harvard colleagues followed 43,700 middle-aged, male health professionals for six years. The more plant foods they ate--fruits, vegetables, and grains--the less likely they were to suffer heart disease. Compared with those who ate the fewest plant foods, those who at the most had 41 percent fewer heart attacks.[30]
Researchers at Loma Linda University in Southern California compared the health of 25,000 Seventh-Day Adventists, whose religion requires vegetarianism, with the health of similar meat-eating Americans. The Adventists sufferered 40 percent fewer heart attacks, and when they had them, their heart attacks occurred, on average, 10 years later in life. (They developed significantly less cancer as well.)[31]
British researchers placed flyers in health food stores around the U.K. and recruited 10,700 people who ate a “healthy diet.” Only about half were strict vegetarians, but the vast majority (even the 19 percent who smoked) ate a near-vegetarian diet with lots of fruit, vegetables, whole grains, and nuts. After 17 years, compared with the general British population, the self-styled healthy eaters had 24 percent fewer deaths from heart disease (and 32 percent fewer deaths from stroke and less cancer as well).[32]
New Zealand researchers compared the health of 6,115 vegetarians and 5,015 people who ate meat. After eliminating other risk factors for heart disease (smoking, etc.), the vegetarians were 28 percent less likely to develop heart disease (and 39 percent less likely to get cancer).[33]
“No question about it,” says Tim Beyers, M.D., a professor of preventive medicine at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center in Denver, “a plant-based diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables reduces risk of heart disease.”
http://www.newstarget.com/007237.html
A new study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association shows a doubling of the risk of colon cancer for people who are heavy consumers of red meat. More specifically, it shows that the risk doubles compared to those who consume smaller quantities of red meat.